And a picture of Michel:
http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/2833/ ... ichel.html
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David
HK STIER and the Arado 231 seaplane
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Yes! I found a better copy of the picture of Esau. It clearly shows the boat being lowered by crane. That indistinct blob above the boat and underneath the word "Esau" is the block through which the wires lowering the boat run. Incidently, behind the sailor on the bow is a glass machine-gun turret (you can only see the metal frames in the picture I posted). Interestinly enough, in my picture, there is a black piece of paper with the skull and crossbones on it stuck to the front of the turret.
Best Regards,
David
Best Regards,
David
think you guys need the squadron signal Schnellboote book, volume 1. A couple of pages dedicated to the LS-1 through LS 12.
you are correct by stating that the LS 2, 3 and 4 were the only kleine S-booten for the aux. boots. Komet, Komoran and the Michael in that order, and only the LS 2 did not have the 2cm turret weapon. In the soft cover book there are several pics of LS 2 being lifted from it's internal berth within the Komet and hoisted up and out by crane. the other LS boots served in the Aegean Sea as they were transported by rail from Germany.
Incidently the Komet had a Ar 196 aboard
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you are correct by stating that the LS 2, 3 and 4 were the only kleine S-booten for the aux. boots. Komet, Komoran and the Michael in that order, and only the LS 2 did not have the 2cm turret weapon. In the soft cover book there are several pics of LS 2 being lifted from it's internal berth within the Komet and hoisted up and out by crane. the other LS boots served in the Aegean Sea as they were transported by rail from Germany.
Incidently the Komet had a Ar 196 aboard
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Thanks David and Erich for the pictures and supplementary information. I cannot recall having seen your picture, David - of the MICHEL before. U said 'launched by crane' - and the blurred picture of the MICHEL shows something that could be a primitive crane-arm on the port side over hatches Nos. 2 and 3, as - as far as I can tell - she had no derrick-carrying pole-masts in front of the bridge. But a quick glance at the two very heavy stays [lower right of the pic] suggests a mast stayed for heavy lifts. Very few ships of her vintage - had cranes - the job was done with derricks (sometimes but rare 'heavy-lift' derricks) and guyropes. In all cases - a difficult operation in open waters.
Erich - u wouldn't be able to share with us - those pictures from the Schnellboote book of how they maneuvered LS 2 from below decks to the ocean. KOMET was a small - 4-hatch ship, and I'm certain she had no cranes. And yezz - David with that sort of HP the LS 4 Esau would easily and in clement conditions have attained 42+ knots. I've served on (bigger) MTB's myself and it took threethousand of howling Isotta-Fraschini horses to exceed that speed....u couldn't hear what u were thinking.... I hate to bore you all to tears about this launching business - but having spewed in five of the seven seas - I have the greatest admiration for the seamanship displayed by the German Hilfskreuzers and just l o v e to find out HOW they did their stuff. Varjag
Erich - u wouldn't be able to share with us - those pictures from the Schnellboote book of how they maneuvered LS 2 from below decks to the ocean. KOMET was a small - 4-hatch ship, and I'm certain she had no cranes. And yezz - David with that sort of HP the LS 4 Esau would easily and in clement conditions have attained 42+ knots. I've served on (bigger) MTB's myself and it took threethousand of howling Isotta-Fraschini horses to exceed that speed....u couldn't hear what u were thinking.... I hate to bore you all to tears about this launching business - but having spewed in five of the seven seas - I have the greatest admiration for the seamanship displayed by the German Hilfskreuzers and just l o v e to find out HOW they did their stuff. Varjag
I'll see what I can do as I know the author of the squad/sig book as I amybe helping him with volume 2 this next year.
I do know of at leat 4-5 individaul Hilfk. histories done in Deutsch and wish I had them on file as it could easily answer many question fro all of us. Funny but ebay.de in their literature dept. offers them all the time usually for around 25.00 US. Hmmmmmmmmmmm think I better make a visti this weekend
be back with more I hope
Erich
I do know of at leat 4-5 individaul Hilfk. histories done in Deutsch and wish I had them on file as it could easily answer many question fro all of us. Funny but ebay.de in their literature dept. offers them all the time usually for around 25.00 US. Hmmmmmmmmmmm think I better make a visti this weekend
be back with more I hope
Erich
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Hi Erich, 1/1250 is pretty tiny, but there is a company, HP of Germany that makes three of the raiders in 1/700 scale. 1/700 is a decent scale, but the kits are resin, which I hate.
Also recommend Paul Schmalenbach's German Raiders , which is mostly pictures and stats, so it's a good companion for Muggenthaler.
Best Regards,
David
Also recommend Paul Schmalenbach's German Raiders , which is mostly pictures and stats, so it's a good companion for Muggenthaler.
Best Regards,
David
I've heard of that title as well. Have Paul's excellent title on the Prinz Eugen and it has a wonderful pull out of the Prinz during late 44-45 with all gun emplacements. etc.......... what a classic ! The Kimber title on the Thor does sounds good though so I will explore that too.
T. Detmers passed away in 1976, pays to hunt in the source files
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T. Detmers passed away in 1976, pays to hunt in the source files
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