Cruiser Emden

admfisher · Post by **admfisher** » 27 Aug 2002 21:04

While this is the Third Reich Forum so I will include this update to my site. Even if it is not about armor it is still an important part of the Reich, and the Germany of the 20's.

The page of mine Emden is updated to fit the new format, so here is a link:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/admfisher/html/emden.html

Hope you dont mind all.

Erich · Post by **Erich** » 27 Aug 2002 23:19

Your web-site is coming along nicely. Are you aware of Dave Krakow's site ? http://www.prinzeugen.com

some excellent up to date materials on the Schnellboote and of course his ongoing interviews and history of the Prinz for the near future.

keep it up !

Have you considered doing some materials on the last days in the Baltic and the retreat towards Copenhagen ?.......just a thought.

E 8)

admfisher · Post by **admfisher** » 27 Aug 2002 23:55

Thanks for your comments, I went to the PE site and mailed them asking them if they were interested in exchanging links.

Dan · Post by **Dan** » 28 Aug 2002 02:22

I believe those who served on at least the last sailing of the Emden were allowed to take the last name von Emden.

admfisher · Post by **admfisher** » 28 Aug 2002 03:03

Now where did you hear this?
von is a title not easily given out. The last voyage of the Emden was of no real importance in the overall scheme of the war or the end of the war.

If you are talking of the Emden of WWI the same applies.

The raider Seedlers was a schooner that the HSF put out and it bagged 13 ships before being stopped. The big thing with this wa that there were no killings in the voyage. The captian von Luckner was given the title of count and the Kaiser gave him an award that would place him above all german laws for the rest of his life. The man was something else.

Dan · Post by **Dan** » 28 Aug 2002 03:20

I think it was a Readers Digest Condensed Book selection about 20 years ago

I was hoping that you would have some info. Wasn't there a battle with an Australian ship that they lost but fought bravely?

Thanks

admfisher · Post by **admfisher** » 28 Aug 2002 04:06

The following is the Australian ship you are thinking of.

"The Kormoran was the biggest auxiliary cruiser used by the Kriegsmarine in World War II. Besides this, it was the only one which was able to sink a major warship in a direct battle. The ship left Germany on 03.12.1940 and entered the North Atlantic through the Denmark Straits. Until April of the following year, the ship operated in the North Atlantic, after that it sailed into the Indian Ocean. On 19.11.1941, the auxiliary cruiser was detected by the Australian CL Sydney. Unaware that the Kormoran was armed, the Sydney close-up to the German ship which opened fire form very close range.
The Sydney was badly damaged and on fire when it was last seen by the German ship and sunk after the battle. The Kormoran was so heavily damaged in this battle that it had to be abandoned and blown up."

This is from the German Navy History site at:
http://www.german-navy.de

As for the adding of the von to the crew men I wouldn't believe this without something more to back it. I have read the tales of most of the HSF and Kriegsmarine ships and I have never come across this.
Sorry.

Grant

Dan · Post by **Dan** » 28 Aug 2002 04:14

Thanks. Keep me informed if you run across this in the future.

admfisher · Post by **admfisher** » 28 Aug 2002 04:56

No problem, nice to see interest in even the less popular ships of Germany.

Erich · Post by **Erich** » 28 Aug 2002 17:02

and I do believe there is a site covering these auxiallary ships.......now if I can find the url I will post it.

Again have you thought about covering the almost unknown battles in the Baltic 44-1945 ?

E 8)

admfisher · Post by **admfisher** » 28 Aug 2002 18:52

Ok I have no plans for the Baltic right now, but if you want try the German Naval History site. Mike has java applets showing most of the battles also in the Kriegsmarine section once you find the ship you are looking for he has the complete history of its actions.

http://www.german-navy.de/

The Military Naval Technology site by Heinz cover quite abit as well.

http://hera.mni.fh-giessen.de/~hg6339/index.htm

If you need specific info right away I can dig up most of it for you. But in the end of the war the kriegsmarine was used for evacuation, artillery coverage, and fighting the more active russians on the water.

PE wore out her barrels firing in support of the land army in 45.

Grant

Erich · Post by **Erich** » 28 Aug 2002 20:45

Check the thread out that David Clarke posted about doing research other than the usal Luftwafe, Panzer items. This I believe was on the lounge forum. In it I mentioned quite a few books. I have interviews from two close friends "who were there", in the Blatic in 45 and the terrible retreat through Pillau, Danzig, Hela and to Copenhagen, one of them captured by the Russians but escaped. I have quite a bit on the heavy shiffs, and there bombardments of the Finnish islands, Latvia and the Soviet held lands, as well as the retreat over the Baltic. As to web-site, I have yet to see one that is in the know on the last months of the war. The Baltic was a major blunder for both the Germans as well as the Soviets.

E

admfisher · Post by **admfisher** » 29 Aug 2002 02:50

Hi there
Don't forget the German Navy was pretty small in 45. They didn't have one battleship left. Here is a short run down.
Lets see know,

Feb. 8th, Lutzow supported troops at Frauenburg, then Admiral Scheer joined in till the 10th.

March 9 th, Admiral Scheer with destroyers and torpedo boats in support at Willin.

March 10th, Prinz Eugen and from the 15th Schlesien supporting at Danzig-Gotenhafen, after which they helped remove refugees.
March 23, Lutzow relieved Schlesien.

March 25th, Leipzig went to join Prinz Eugen and Lutzow, at Danzig-Gotenhafen.

April 3rd Admiral Hipper which had also joined the others was withdrawn with Lutzow for ammunition. Both were gone by the 8th.

March 30, the USAF sinks Koln.

April 10, the RAF bombs Kiel and sinks Admiral Scheer, heavily damaged Admiral Hipper and Emdem.

April 10, the RAF nears misses Lutzow with a Tall Boy and she sinks.

April 25, Naval Commando's scuttle Graf Zepplin near Settin.

May 3, Schlesien runs into a minefield and badly damaged, she towed to Schwinemunde and beached.

May 4, Lutzow temporarily repaired supports army.

May 8, Germany surrenders and has Prinz Eugen with Nurnberg in Copenhagen, Leipzig is at Apenrade.

Erich · Post by **Erich** » 29 Aug 2002 03:16

In what way was it small ?

there were sure plenty of shipping to allow escape of wounded, women and children and soldiers from the Baltic in 45. I am well awre of the ops by the cruisers in the last days.

E

admfisher · Post by **admfisher** » 29 Aug 2002 03:29

According to the number of fighting vessels, this how I come to the conclusion that the German Navy was small.
In the evactuations they used any thing that they could.

When you talk of the warships there was 4 heavy cruisers, 2 light cruisers, some other destroyes and torpedo boats. This does not take in the other smaller vessels.

Basically the German Navy was only good for shore support in 45.

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