Siebel Ferries and MFPs

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Post by Xavier » 11 Apr 2006 18:41

posted elsewhere on this forum:
Marinefährprähme im Schwarzen Meer: Special Landing Boats of the Kriegsmarine in the Black Sea
http://users.bigpond.net.au/black-veil/mfp.html
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Post by duckie » 29 Apr 2006 15:31

While surfing the net I found a website of an diving club that found an almost intact MFP wreck.
Haffway this page you'll find a photo on an MFP in Holland that I haven't seen before.

the website is http://www.wdsr.nl/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=60

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Ps. I have also several photo's MFP and Siebel ferry's from old ebay auctions but can't post them on this group by myself I someone would like to have them or is willing to post them on this group, please contact me.

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Post by the Rocketman » 01 May 2006 20:34

Duckie,

Would like to have these pictures searching for every posible picture of the MFP's

Greetings

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request for photo's

Post by duckie » 04 May 2006 15:54

Hallo Bert, stuur me je prive email adres en ik zal ze je opsturen inclusief een paar foto's die ik van een ander lid heb gekregen.

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Post by eisenbahn9 » 07 May 2006 02:21

This relates back to my original posting on this topic. I ran across this photo
showing a Siebel ferry transporting two Mk IIIs and a Tiger I tank. At least
the caption says it's a Siebel ferry. The anchor hoist on the port side provides
a clue. But the "armored bridge" structure at the stern reminds me more of
an MFP. Any comments on this??

What I also find interesting is the assemblage of higher-ranking Kriegsmarine
and Wehrmacht officers on board, as well as the presence of an older gentleman
in civilian garb (gray fedora and overcoat). Or would this have been the normal
complement of naval officers on board this type of vessel?
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Post by T. A. Gardner » 07 May 2006 04:37

This looks more like an early MFP than a siebel ferry. First, it is definitely not wide enough. Photos of Siebels I've seen show them to be wide enough to park 4 large trucks across the beam of the ship. It would appear that this is some sort of test going on which would explain the large number of officers and the civilian (probably an engineer of some sort) being present.

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Post by eisenbahn9 » 07 May 2006 16:34

This was my impression too, that the vessel doesn't look wide enough to be a Siebel.
Yet the MFPs I've seen in photos don't look capable of carrying vehicles on their top
deck and were not designed as such unless this is a special modification?

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Post by PT Dockyard » 10 May 2006 00:50

The craft pictured above is an MAL, an artillery barge that could be used as a tank landing craft with removal of the 2-3" guns.

MFPs had sides. The MAL was basically a board with a box at the back.

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Post by PT Dockyard » 10 May 2006 01:02

Here is a site describing the MAL

http://www.german-navy.de/kriegsmarine/ ... index.html

The drawing is of a late model. The one in the photo is an early one with a much simpler wheelhouse.

Here is data on their use. They were used in the Black Sea, the Aegean and Med ( only 2-3), the Danube ( late models like the one shown) and the Lakes in Estonia. A few were solt to the Finns, too.

http://www.wlb-stuttgart.de/seekrieg/km ... tillen.htm

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Post by eisenbahn9 » 11 May 2006 22:35

Dave,

Thanks for clearing this up for us!

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Post by Darek Piotrowski » 17 Jun 2006 19:51

I am seeking plans of modelling German landing crafts :
- Marinefährprahm
- Marine Nachschub Leichter
- Marine Artillerie Leichter
- Artilleriefährprahm
- Siebel Fähre


I am asking for the help very much. Perhaps somebody can send me scans of such plans. Or perhaps somebody can give to me the title of the book or the magazine where I can find such plans.

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Post by Davide Pastore » 08 Jul 2006 19:37

PT Dockyard wrote:I don't think they went by rail, but I have seen pictures of them traveling through France on Truck. Probably between canals. While most in the Med were built there, some were transferred this way.
A number of MFPs were built in Palermo. On 29 May 1942 it was decided to modify 10 of them for C3 (to carry the KV-I/II tanks of Pz.Abt.66). They were ready by 8 July 1942. Probably these crafts were later used to carry the Tigers to Tunisia?

Another 10 normal MFPs were readied in Palermo during the month of July 1942. According to a letter (unknown date but very probably July 1942) there were at least 7 more available during the summer (built before? Sent through French canals?) for a total of at least 27 German MFP present in the Mediterranean in July 1942. It is possible that some had been already lost before.

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Post by Davide Pastore » 09 Jul 2006 10:19

Can someone identify which type of craft is this one?

Sorry for the impossible quality of the picture, measures are:
- total length 16.900m
- body length 15.000m
- total width 5.800m
- internal width 5.050m
- height 1.802m
- height of two nested crafts 2.862m

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Post by kstdk » 09 Jul 2006 10:29

Hello

Its not a vessel in it selve, but a part of a bridge section ( Pionier Landungsbrücke ).

Put together from different floating sections to form a bridge for crossing streams and other opstackles.

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Post by Davide Pastore » 09 Jul 2006 11:32

kstdk wrote:Its not a vessel in it selve, but a part of a bridge section ( Pionier Landungsbrücke ).
Ohhhh :oops: (German is not my chosen language, sorry)

Question: what could have been its use in the contest of an amphibious landing upon enemy coast (Malta)?
Maybe, a ramp to unload heavy equipment from other landing crafts to the beaches?

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