The Schnellebootewaffe And MAS Boats--General Discussion

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Post by David C. Clarke » 05 Dec 2005 15:55

Hey Jan-Hendrik, here's a site with some really good pictures and information on the Lake Lagoda campaign.


http://heninen.net/laatokka-war/english.htm


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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 05 Dec 2005 19:24

Thank you , David !

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Post by Davide Pastore » 05 Dec 2005 19:53

David C. Clarke wrote:Hey Jan-Hendrik, here's a site with some really good pictures and information on the Lake Lagoda campaign.
Can I provide two extra photos?

1) Mannerheim visiting an italian boat. The officer on the left with the white cap is Capitano di Corvetta Bianchini, commander of 12a Squadriglia MAS

2) Some of the Italian MAS during their transfer (from La Spezia [25 May] to Stettin [04 June] by road, then onboard German ship Thielbeck up to Helsinki [09 June], then river and railway until they arrived at Sortanlatgi on Ladoga [22 June]. The picture shows the Cisa Pass, near Parma.

Source: Giorgio Giorgerini, Storia della Marina, Milano 1978

That site does NOT contain :? any reference to the soviet gunboat Bira (947tons) sunk by MAS 527 on 15 August 1942. Another 1,300ton civilian ship was sunk by MAS 528 on an unspecified date.

During 1943 the four MAS (spending the icy winter at Reval) were sold to Finland, becoming J1-J4, then JYHLA, JYRY, JYSKE, JYMY (stricken in 1961).

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Post by David C. Clarke » 05 Dec 2005 20:10

Davide, that second picture is superb!!!!! :D

I always wondered what a MAS boat looked like during road transport!!!

Really Great Picture!


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Post by Davide Pastore » 05 Dec 2005 20:21

Thank you. The Navy Historical Office had an entire volume dedicated to Italian operations in the Black Sea and on Ladoga:
(item 5 in http://www.marina.difesa.it/storia/uffi ... cio003.htm )

According to my source the Italians found Ladoga a very difficult battlefield, because of the total silence of the environment and the few hours of darkness during summer (both hampering the boat's approach to the enemy).

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Post by David C. Clarke » 05 Dec 2005 20:30

That's a fantastic site Davide, I can't wait until I get home to look at it!

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Post by Xavier » 05 Dec 2005 20:50

Davide, that second picture is superb!!!!!
indeed, I second that!! (oversize transport being one of my everyday chores), and the downhill leg of a trip is always more dangerous than the uphill one..add narrows switchbacks like the one on the pic and you have your work cut..!!

I have a theory about S1..the very first S1 was kept by the german navy due to being a first, it ws a un armored model, If I recall correctly, on squadron's book on the S-boots there is a mention of the boat being "loved" by the crew (affection).

After being striken from the serviceable boats, a second S1, or early design, would have taken the place, and this one is the S1 given to spain......

I will check my books tonight

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Post by Davide Pastore » 05 Dec 2005 20:59

David C. Clarke wrote:Really Great Picture!
Other pictures about transfer of MAS 529-529 to Ladoga, and MAS 566-575 to Black Sea.

Source: Elio Andò & Erminio Bagnasco, Navi e Marinai Italiani nella Seconda Guerra Mondiale, Parma 1977

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Post by Davide Pastore » 05 Dec 2005 21:02

Others picts.

Source: Elio Andò & Erminio Bagnasco, Navi e Marinai Italiani nella Seconda Guerra Mondiale, Parma 1977

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Post by David C. Clarke » 06 Dec 2005 02:11

Excellent again Davide! I can't thank you enough for posting the pictures and the link. These photos are virtually unknown in the U.S. When I first read about the transfer of MAS boats to the Black Sea, I was more than a little interested in how, technically, it was done. And, although I had read that houses and walls sometimes had to be knocked down to allow their passage--well, a picture beats a thousand words!! :D :D

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Post by Davide Pastore » 06 Dec 2005 06:39

David C. Clarke wrote: well, a picture beats a thousand words!! :D :D
I've pasted very small pictures; however, if anyone is interested in the full-size version of these images, just drop me a line.
My source book also shows some photos of MASs in Finnish environment (amongst pine tree etc). If interested, ditto.

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 06 Dec 2005 11:00

Interested !!! 8)

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Post by Andreas » 06 Dec 2005 12:42

Davide Pastore wrote:Thank you. The Navy Historical Office had an entire volume dedicated to Italian operations in the Black Sea and on Ladoga:
(item 5 in http://www.marina.difesa.it/storia/uffi ... cio003.htm )
Buon giorno Davide

I presume that this is the book where the pictures originate? If not, could you please make sure to provide a source for the pictures?

Grazie tante.

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Post by Davide Pastore » 06 Dec 2005 22:02

Andreas wrote:I presume that this is the book where the pictures originate?

Er... No, of course :oops: :oops: :oops:

Source: Elio Andò & Erminio Bagnasco, Navi e Marinai Italiani nella Seconda Guerra Mondiale, Parma 1977

(I'll also edit the old posts)

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Post by David C. Clarke » 07 Dec 2005 01:19

Well good, now that we're past that, the pictures seem like a perfect opportunity to take a look at Schnelleboote and MAS-Boat activity in the Black Sea.

I'll be posting in a couple days after I get some things accomplished at work.

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