November 13, 1918 Istanbul

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November 13, 1918 Istanbul

Post by jerryasher » 23 Jan 2021 07:13

As part of the Allied occupation force, the cruiser Nisshin and five destroyers arrived and landed shore parties. Can anyone identify which destroyers were involved. They would have been from the 2nd Special Service Squadron. Many thanks in advance.

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Re: November 13, 1918 Istanbul

Post by fontessa » 23 Jan 2021 09:45

Hello jerryasher,

According to War Diary of 2nd Special Duty Fleet / December 1918, Nisshin, Kashiwa, Momo, Ume, Kusu and Kash arrived at Istanbul on 6 December 1918.

On 13 November 1918:
Nisshin: on the way from Colombo to Istanbul
Kashiwa: at Alexandria
Momo, Ume Kusu and Kashi: at Talant

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Re: November 13, 1918 Istanbul

Post by jerryasher » 23 Jan 2021 14:52

Many thanks fontessa;---My source was a 100 year history of Turkish-Japanese Relations written by a Turk. Sorry for my ignorance---do you know where Talant is? Finally does the War Diary tell us anything about the four Japanese manned ships of the British--the destroyers Kanran and Sendan and the two trawlers? These four were turned over to Japan in mid to late 1917---but as not part of the Japanese built destroyers --sort of fall out of discussion. Again many thanks and stay safe.

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Re: November 13, 1918 Istanbul

Post by fontessa » 23 Jan 2021 21:05

Hello jerryasher,
jerryasher wrote:
23 Jan 2021 14:52
--do you know where Talant is?
Oh It was Taranto, Italian military port.
jerryasher wrote:
23 Jan 2021 14:52
Finally does the War Diary tell us anything about the four Japanese manned ships of the British--the destroyers Kanran and Sendan and the two trawlers?
橄欖 Kanran (Ex HMS Nemesis): Loaned from the UK on 12 October 1918
栴檀 Sendan(Ex HMS Minstrel):Loaned from the UK on 20 September 1918
東京 Tokyo (Ex HMS Unknown Trawler): Loaned from the UK on 11 June 1918
西京 Saikyo (Ex HMS Unknown Trawler): Loaned from the UK on 11 June 1918

As for codes of 2nd Special Duty Fleet ships, please refer to the below thread.
viewtopic.php?f=65&t=251739&p=2290151
10th Destroyer Division (Kaba Class DDs, Katsura, Kaede, Ume, Kusu)
11th Destroyer Division (Kaba Class DDs, Sakaku, Kashiwa, Mats, Sugi)
15th Destroyer Division (Momo Class DDs, Momo, Kashi, Hinoki, Yanagi)

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Re: November 13, 1918 Istanbul

Post by jerryasher » 23 Jan 2021 22:43

Thank you Fontessa: in re Kanran etc. Are the dates in the diary the day they were returned to the British? or received from? Yours is the most precise data I have seen. I have the English names of the trawlers--but would have to look it up. Again many thanks.

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Re: November 13, 1918 Istanbul

Post by fontessa » 24 Jan 2021 13:56

Hello jerryasher,
jerryasher wrote:
23 Jan 2021 22:43
Are the dates in the diary the day they were returned to the British?
橄欖 and 栴檀 were returned to U.K. at Plymouthon on 17 January 1919. As for 東京 and 西京, there was no description in the diary.

On 1 April 1919, the unit nams were changed as the below.
10th Destroyer Division → 22nd Destroyer Division ( (Kaba Class DDs, Katsura, Kaede, Ume, Kusu)
11th Destroyer Division → 23rd Destroyer Division (Kaba Class DDs, Sakaku, Kashiwa, Mats, Sugi)
15th Destroyer Division → 24th Destroyer Division (Momo Class DDs, Momo, Kashi, Hinoki, Yanagi)

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Re: November 13, 1918 Istanbul

Post by jerryasher » 24 Jan 2021 18:47

Thank you Fontesssa; and thanks for the update on the renumbering of Destroyer Divisions. Picked up Momo's change as it showed up at Hong Kong in late June as DesDiv 24.

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