Food rations in the Japanese forces

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Diplomat Kase Toshikazu was private Secretary to wartime Foreign Minister Matsuoka Toshikatsu. He might be most often seen in the historic photo of the delegation for Japan’s surrender on board USS Missouri. There, he had been the top-hatted civilian on the right.

For the landmark British TV documentary series The World at War (Thames Productions, 1972), he was interviewed for the series episode 5 “Banzai!”

In it, Kase spoke about the early victories of the Pacific war. He said the following about Japan's first large-scale campaigns in jungle terrain:
... The jungle is not such a terrible place. We can live on rice, salt, sesame seeds, and salted fish –- this can keep a soldier [going] for a long time. The jungle did not have the fear for us that it did some of the Allied soldiers ...
It is natural for leading figures and high staffers to speak in general terms. Even so, except maybe for sesame seeds (goma), does what Kase mentioned sound much different from foods normally issued to the Japanese soldier anyway?

An IJA veteran of Burma said something similar in The World at War episode 15, “It's A Lovely Day Tomorrow.” * This was IJA Lieutenant Okada Teruo, who mentioned provisions for jungle warfare -- but more in terms of foraging:
... In the jungle, fortunately, the Burmese jungle, [there are] many bamboo shoots. You see, in Japan we all eat bamboo shoots, so that a lot of material can be found in the form of bamboo shoots all over the place. Apart from that we all know that what a monkey can eat, we can eat too. So, if you watch the monkeys, and avoid what the monkeys also avoid, you're totally safe.

... There are such creatures as bandicoots, a type of rat, you see; snakes; jungle lizards; and … small lizards. You cut off their heads and chop them up and make into curry ... you know, mixed with peppers, [they] can make good curry.

This confidence in the Japanese soldier’s endurance sounds very much a part of confidence in victory itself at the time. Japan's early victories against the West relied on speed, surprise, and audacity, so endurance on light supplies would have been part of those.
  • The Japanese soldier could do well on less than his opponents had –- and in these early campaigns, he may have foraged as Okada suggested. But surely he did not depend so much upon foraging at that time, when Japan was victorious?

    Foraging in the wild for supplemental foods for a short time may be different from doing it for all food all the time. There would also be some difference between foraging at a relatively secure area like Rabaul, and doing so in the front lines of Burma or New Guinea with the enemy nearby.

    Because the white meat of reptiles is often mild-flavored, lizard would seem to make a good curry as Okada said. And stewing is a common way to cook meats that are not the best. But I think only their hindquarters and legs would be eaten. If so, how many lizards might be needed to cook curry stew for a whole company of troops?
The World at War's producers had not meant to elicit mention of army food, but they got these passing ones anyway from Kase the known statesman, and Okada the unknown foot soldier. Both of them spoke matter-of-factly about the hardiness or fieldcraft of the Japanese fighting man, either of which might be seen in his food.

However, neither Kase nor Okada at that time could have imagined their troops later having to endure, or starve, on much less food than they described. For The World at War, they had been interviewed about victory rather than defeat. It would have been interesting to hear what they remembered about the food situation then, too, since no one would forget such a thing -- and because it was one reflection of the war's fortunes in general.

-- Alan
  • *(”It’s a Lovely Day Tomorrow” was a popular wartime song sung by beloved British singer Dame Vera Lynn. She had visited British troops on the Burma front, was interviewed for this episode –- and is still singing today.)

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Re: Food rations in the Japanese forces

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An interesting item from our “Japan at War” quiz, back in Mar 2006:
hisashi wrote: Ginbae (Ginbai)' was a common slang among IJA (possibly also IJN) soldiers.
What did it mean? {Literally,] Ginbae is musca, a common domestic fly in Japan.
Kim Sung wrote: ギンバイ(ぎんばえ) - To steal or misappropriate food
Right, Kim …ginbae seemed to mean stealing food from official stocks. Stealing private food stocks/harvests was very common in IJA especially in WWII, but I have not read any slang for them.

This act is inevitable evil in soldiers' world, I think. In some recalls of German ex-soldiers I found similar conduct by them … This crime may happen even in peacetime army forts. It is done usually in person, but sometimes done by a group of soldiers and even led by NCO(s).
Did ginbai refer also to the soldier who stole the food, or equally to the act of stealing it?

In most armed forces, certain NCOs in particular will know best how to “work the system” and how to divert military supplies of one kind or another.

If Japanese soldiers had a common term for stealing official food stocks, it suggests some things in itself that might not be mentioned in English-language sources.
  • Were stolen foodstuffs then used as currency, in a black market trade?

    Rice in particular would seem likely to be stolen, because its wartime shortage would raise the demand for it anywhere. In the Soviet Army there was illegal buying, making, and theft of alcohol because it had demand too. But alcohol was lighter and smaller than things like rice.

    Presumably ginbai was also a common matter for the kempeitai to watch for, and carried hard penalties? Of course its lure would be enough to continue it, as in other armies.
If soldiers take supplies from civilians anywhere, they might call it impressment -- or else, commandeering. This has often been assumed as a right, or as military necessity, with or without orders, or consent of officers. Could this be one reason it had no slang word of its own in the IJA?

It was said that senior Soviet soldiers would take the food rations of their newer conscripts. But this was a common feature of hazing to be expected of army life in a harsh regime. Was anything similar known in the IJA regarding food?

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Peter H wrote:From ebay seller,morionoue: Canteen
In earlier photos we have seen this international theme in the drapery of the world’s flags –- both in a military mess, and elsewhere in a public (park?) display.

What might this have meant before the Pacific War, and particularly in an Army canteen?

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Peter H wrote:Same source: ”Meal allotment”
Pickup of meals from a garrison kitchen shows or suggests some small details.
  • The kitchen itself had a clerestory roof, so its chimneys had to be higher than that. Presumably the cooking stoves for them, close by these windows, were much the same as those of other army kitchens we have seen. However, I have the impression that even at home in peacetime, garrison kitchens varied widely and were not noticeably standardized.

    Outside the kitchen, the street seems to be paved with rough cobbles, which would serve for horse-drawn traffic and foot troops who are less motorized.
These food carriers about to be distributed have round ends, unlike some of the rectangular Navy ones seen earlier. Many other photos, comics, and illustration show the Army practice of bringing meals to the barracks to be eaten there. However, our photos of Navy dining ashore show it only in messhalls.

From their size, the carriers seem like they could hold enough to feed one squad each. But we have not seen inside them to know if they were double-walled for insulation. Did they have several smaller containers inside for different dishes or parts of a meal?

A large tray below one window has handles at its ends, so it can be carried by two men in litter-fashion.
  • These trays look like the same kind shown in the photo below from Rottman's Osprey volume. Apparently they were sometimes used for routine meal service as well as special occasions. However, food carriers and mess kits could easily be carried in the rain and snow. Large trays loaded with full dishes and bowls of food seem less so.


Shown in the enlargement below is this open-sided shed where wooden casks with lids are shelved. What might these be?
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  • Might these be casks of tsukemono (Japanese pickled vegetables)? I tried to find what their traditional pickle barrels look like, especially their size. However, many English-language web pages seem to discuss and show only modern ways of making pickles, even from Japanese authors -- one did say that traditional barrels are expensive today.

    Can closed casks of certain foodstuffs be commonly stored outdoors, if under a roof and off the ground? Or, maybe they are all empty? Changing seasons can be told in this photo by the snow dams along the kitchen's roof. The shed itself was not meant to hold more at its bottom, because it has no floor. This would keep the casks above any mud or snow.
Might garrison cooks have typically prepared tsukemono or other basic things themselves?
  • Vegetables and fruits were more seasonal than they are today, and “putting them up” as pickles and preserves at home was once as common in the West as it was in Japan. Although they are still made at home today, were Japanese pickles also factory-made in those days?

    It also seems like a thrifty practice that takes some skill and would have some pride for the cooks doing it.
Did some (or many) IJA forts keep gardens and livestock to augment their own food supplies, in pre-war at least? Earlier, we have seen what looks like a piggery in garrison. This seems to fit the army’s higher demand for meats compared to civilians, even if the war later reserved all canned meats and goods for the military.

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Cited earlier, but without the following mealtime photos:–
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Soldiers detailed from their sections march back to the barracks with their sections' cooked meals in insulated containers. A strict accounting is being kept on the chalkboard. The duty NCO overseeing the detail is wearing a red and white weekly duty armband.
Do the casks at bottom right compare to those shelved outdoors in the photo enlargement above?

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In a unit kitchen meals are prepared for a festival. The rice, soup, and side-dish bowls are placed in large wooden trays for delivery to an auditorium where the celebration will take place.
In the rear right there seem to be the usual, watchful NCOs.

–- Alan

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