Type 11 37 mm Infantry Gun

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Re: Type 11 37 mm Infantry Gun

Post by Akira Takizawa » 17 May 2011 06:27

Type 11 37 mm Infantry Gun squad consisted of squad leader, 8 gunners and 2 horse handlers. 4 gunners were attached to gun and two carried ammo box and one carried tool box and one was reserved.

These photos are in drill. So, they are not in proper formation.

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Re: Type 11 37 mm Infantry Gun

Post by Peter H » 17 May 2011 09:50

Here's another view of the Manchurian Type-14s.Also close up of ammunition chest from a different angle.
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Re: Type 11 37 mm Infantry Gun

Post by YC Chen » 05 Mar 2015 01:07

Akira Takizawa wrote:
Peter H wrote:Anyone know what this is?

A similar type or a mortar?
It is 9cm mortar which was adopted in 1891.

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Hello all,

Is this also a Japanese 9cm mortar? This piece is in the collection of the Military Museum in Beijing.
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Re: Type 11 37 mm Infantry Gun

Post by Akira Takizawa » 05 Mar 2015 02:50

YC Chen wrote:Is this also a Japanese 9cm mortar?
No. I don't know what it is. It would be a Chinese mortar.

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Re: Type 11 37 mm Infantry Gun

Post by YC Chen » 05 Mar 2015 04:46

Hmm... Indeed different in some detail, but similar in overall layout. Some Chinese sources say that this was made in Taiyuan Arsenal, but I haven't found any evidence that they made those. Must find out if there's any inscription on it next time.

I have managed to find a side view.
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Re: Type 11 37 mm Infantry Gun

Post by OldBill » 06 Mar 2015 09:37

YC I am searching my mind for more information about the mortar and can't quite seem to dig it out. What I do recall for certain is that after WWI a former British soldier came to China and aided in the rebuilding and modernization of one of the Northern Arsenals. They made alot of mortars there, some of them of large size, IIRC (this is from my fallible memory so take it with a grain of salt) some of them of up to 152mm. I recall this individual having been wounded in WW1 also.
I've seen photos of some of the mortars made at this arsenal, on wheeled transport mounts such as is the picture. I'll try and see what I can find this weekend in my old notes and books.

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Re: Type 11 37 mm Infantry Gun

Post by YC Chen » 07 Mar 2015 07:58

OldBill wrote:YC I am searching my mind for more information about the mortar and can't quite seem to dig it out. What I do recall for certain is that after WWI a former British soldier came to China and aided in the rebuilding and modernization of one of the Northern Arsenals. They made alot of mortars there, some of them of large size, IIRC (this is from my fallible memory so take it with a grain of salt) some of them of up to 152mm. I recall this individual having been wounded in WW1 also.
I've seen photos of some of the mortars made at this arsenal, on wheeled transport mounts such as is the picture. I'll try and see what I can find this weekend in my old notes and books.
This is correct and I(and some friends) have researched this story for years. The British soldier is F.A.Sutton who also played a role in the original development of the Stokes mortar. He did made lots mortars, including 15cm ones, in his workshop in Mukden for warlord Chang Tso-lin(Zhang Zuolin) and was made a general by Chang. He left Chang in 1926 perhaps because of Chang's disapproval of his attempt to interfer with the political affair, but 15cm mortars, similar in design, were continued to be made in various arsenals in China well into 1930s. In 1940 the nationalist arsenals had these 15cm mortars upgraded and new bombs made for them, and named Type 29(see picture here: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 3&start=30). This was the general story, and much more can be written if I go into detail...

However the mortar I posted is totally different from Sutton's mortar. His mortars are mostly of (enlarged) Stokes type. Sutton's mortars were also carried on carts with wooden wheels, but also totally different from this one.

There's a biography of him named General of Fortune, although this is not a historical work and contains many errors and exaggrations, it also provides some interesting information.

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Re: Type 11 37 mm Infantry Gun

Post by OldBill » 11 Mar 2015 22:17

Many Thanks YC. It has been some years since I read about Mr. Sutton. When I get a bit more time I will look through my books to see if I can add anything.

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Re: Type 11 37 mm Infantry Gun

Post by Eugen Pinak » 27 Aug 2017 14:14

37mm infantry gun "Sogekiho" (="sniper").
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Re: Type 11 37 mm Infantry Gun

Post by lepalba » 27 Aug 2017 17:42

Were there any instance of the type 14 or type 11 be modified and mounted on vehicles?

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Re: Type 11 37 mm Infantry Gun

Post by Akira Takizawa » 28 Aug 2017 06:05

Sogekiho was used on Type 89 Tanks or Renault tanks. But, Type 11 was not used on vehicles. I don't know about Type 14.

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Re: Type 11 37 mm Infantry Gun

Post by lepalba » 28 Aug 2017 12:42

Akira Takizawa wrote:Sogekiho was used on Type 89 Tanks or Renault tanks. But, Type 11 was not used on vehicles. I don't know about Type 14.

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So is that barrel protruding on the left passenger side, in the image below a machine gun shroud or something else entirely?
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Re: Type 11 37 mm Infantry Gun

Post by Akira Takizawa » 28 Aug 2017 14:58

lepalba wrote:So is that barrel protruding on the left passenger side, in the image below a machine gun shroud or something else entirely?
It is Manchukou Army. I don't know the details of their armored cars.

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Re: Type 11 37 mm Infantry Gun

Post by lepalba » 28 Aug 2017 15:11

Akira Takizawa wrote:
lepalba wrote:So is that barrel protruding on the left passenger side, in the image below a machine gun shroud or something else entirely?
It is Manchukou Army. I don't know the details of their armored cars.

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Ah, I was under the impression that everything the Manchukou Army had was provided by the Japanese, as was their doctrine. So they were allowed to modify their equipment independently? Very interesting, thank you very much Akira.

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Re: Type 11 37 mm Infantry Gun

Post by Akira Takizawa » 28 Aug 2017 15:43

> So they were allowed to modify their equipment independently?

Above armored cars were developed in Manchukuo independently.

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