Seizing the Beidaying Barracks 1931

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Seizing the Beidaying Barracks 1931

Post by Peter H » 25 Jul 2009 01:28

Mukden,19th September 1931,the surprise strike on the Chinese garrison there:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukden_Incident
On the morning of September 19, 1931 the two artillery pieces installed at the Mukden officers' club opened up on the Chinese garrison nearby, in response to the alleged Chinese attack on the railway. Zhang Xueliang's small air force was destroyed and his soldiers fled their destroyed Beidaying barracks as five hundred Japanese troops attacked the Chinese garrison of around seven thousand. The Chinese troops, mostly irregulars or new conscripts, were no match for the experienced Japanese troops. By the evening the fighting was over and the Japanese had occupied Mukden at the cost of five hundred Chinese and only two Japanese lives..
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Re: Seizing the Beidaying Barracks 1931

Post by Peter H » 25 Jul 2009 01:35

The 29th Infantry Regiment seizes its objective
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Re: Seizing the Beidaying Barracks 1931

Post by Peter H » 25 Jul 2009 01:46

Watching the fight
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Post by Peter H » 25 Jul 2009 01:51

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Re: Seizing the Beidaying Barracks 1931

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The 29th holds Mukden
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Re: Seizing the Beidaying Barracks 1931

Post by Peter H » 25 Jul 2009 02:24

The Beidaying Barracks were pulled down in 2005:

http://www.china.org.cn/english/2005/Jun/131908.htm
"In some places, people invest to build tombstones for popular historical prostitutes like Chen Yuanyuan and Su Xiaoxiao to promote tourism; but Beidaying with tremendous historical value had to be demolished for it could not bring about remarkable economic results. This gives us much food for reflection", said one anonymous history expert.

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Re: Seizing the Beidaying Barracks 1931

Post by Arek » 20 Sep 2009 21:23

Was Japan officially declared as an aggressor by the League of Nations in the time of Manchurian Incident?


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Re: Seizing the Beidaying Barracks 1931

Post by Peter H » 22 Sep 2009 08:14

Hi Arek

Sandra Wilson on the Lytton Report here:
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=3s6 ... rt&f=false

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Re: Seizing the Beidaying Barracks 1931

Post by Sewer King » 23 Sep 2009 04:15

This photo, presumably taken by the Japanese, seems to be well after the battle. The place looks empty for lack of any activity inside it. Unroofed and partly unroofed buildings also don’t show any scattered debris, shell craters, or signs of fire, any of which may have since been cleaned up. However there is no sign that the Japanese meant to reoccupy this particular site, which seems to be only a part of the larger installation. There are no matches to the following photos.

Cultivated areas surrounding the walled barracks suggest garrison gardens.

It would be interesting to match this installation against modern photography of the same area to find the site. However, its razing may predate Google Earth and there are few reference points for it in this one aerial photo.
A Taiwanese coworker translated the sign for me as “commander’s office” or “headquarters” (echelon uncertain in last kanji).
Peter H wrote: Watching the fight
Possible civilian newspaper correspondents at right?
Peter H wrote:Chinese prisoners
Under guard, captives are apparently detailed to turn over their rifles, two per man along with collected cartridge belts and bandoliers. This is interesting for Chinese uniforms with light-colored cap bands, collar patches, and canvas{?} shoes.

The nighttime photos show the Japanese noticeably equipped in the old style, with older coats, no steel helmets, and 6.5mm Type 38 rifles. Different helmets were in use from the 1920s, but the best-known one from World War II was not yet in use until 1932, the following year? If these are all photos of Beidaying’s aftermath, why are helmets widely worn in some of them and not at all in others?
Peter H wrote:The Beidaying Barracks were pulled down in 2005: (”Beidaying All History Now”)
I have wondered somewhat how much if historic geography clashed with moneyed land development in modern-day China, as it has done at times in the West. Money tends to win, especially when it suborns civil government.

Could it be that in today’s China, some historical places from wartime do not speak to the people’s soul, by recalling what happened to our country and how we answered it as a nation? That’s what all such places do, whatever we argue about the reasons and details. It seems that this kind of history in China is sometimes well-kept only by local people, and, as elsewhere, it raises the question of how it is taught.

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Re: Seizing the Beidaying Barracks 1931

Post by Peter H » 02 May 2011 10:12

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Re: Seizing the Beidaying Barracks 1931

Post by Peter H » 02 May 2011 10:18

From: http://sites.lafayette.edu/barclayp/?p=194
The snapshots below were taken by U.S. Vice-Consul Gerald Warner in 1934....Consul Warner was probably given a tour of the memorialized battlefields of the 1931 conquest. Here is one of his snapshots from the Beidaying barracks, which were emptied of Chinese troops right after the Japanese attack on Shenyang/Mukden on September 18, 1931
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Re: Seizing the Beidaying Barracks 1931

Post by Peter H » 02 May 2011 10:20

Same source.
This postcard, issued sometime just prior to Warner’s tour, presents a similar scene with a terse description:

〔奉天 北大営) 第一中隊長小野大尉奮戦の地 機關銃槍連兵舎の一部

[Trans.:] “The site of 1st Army Commander Captain Ono’s desperate battle. A section of the machine-gun damaged barracks.”
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Re: Seizing the Beidaying Barracks 1931

Post by Peter H » 02 May 2011 10:37

I dont know if this is Beidaying as well
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Re: Seizing the Beidaying Barracks 1931

Post by Peter H » 02 May 2011 10:43

From: http://digital.lafayette.edu/collections/eastasia

"The scars on the barracks bear witness to the hard fighting"
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Re: Seizing the Beidaying Barracks 1931

Post by Peter H » 02 May 2011 10:47

Same source.

Looks like the same entrance gate shown above with flag being raised.

"Our garrison headquarters after the night-time battle and occupation"
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