Type 95 Truck and Other Odd Vehicles

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Re: Type 95 Truck and Other Odd Vehicles

Post by tom! » 26 Nov 2022 08:23

Hi.
Akira Takizawa wrote:
26 Nov 2022 02:33
tom! wrote:
25 Nov 2022 18:10
Hi.

There is an armoured car picture haunting us through books and the internet :

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It´s taken from a german prewar book I own, too. The description says:

Armoured Motorcar Osaka M2592.....

The armored car called Osaka is Chinese armored car. It was built by Shanghai Arsenal in 1929. See the photo below. It is the same armored car and has Chinese national mark.

Taki
Thx, very interesting. This makes some lot of things around the vehicle data in the book better understandable.

Are there any sources about development and operational history both in chinese and japanese services?

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Re: Type 95 Truck and Other Odd Vehicles

Post by Akira Takizawa » 26 Nov 2022 10:58

I heard it from a Chinese. See below.

https://www.sohu.com/a/424769771_260616

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Re: Type 95 Truck and Other Odd Vehicles

Post by tom! » 26 Nov 2022 19:30

Hi.

I see, many many thanks. This should help correcting some misunderstandings about this vehicle.



Now a different topic:

There is a nice pic of the TGE-build predessesor of the Armoured Lumberjack Ho-K in another thread in this section of the forum.

This leads me to the following question: Is there a list of TGE-build and developed military vehicles (soft-skin and armored including prototypes)?

At the Tokyo Gas and Hino Automobile websites are not really many infos about the time scale between 1917 and 1945...

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Re: Type 95 Truck and Other Odd Vehicles

Post by Akira Takizawa » 27 Nov 2022 02:15

I upload a list of TGE vehicles.

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Re: Type 95 Truck and Other Odd Vehicles

Post by nuyt » 27 Nov 2022 16:45

Akira Takizawa wrote:
26 Nov 2022 10:58
I heard it from a Chinese. See below.

https://www.sohu.com/a/424769771_260616

Taki
Very interesting, many thanks!

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Re: Type 95 Truck and Other Odd Vehicles

Post by tom! » 12 Dec 2022 05:32

Hi.

Again I need your help. I stumbled upon the following pictures of vehicles unknown to me which were rated japanese:
jap typ 98 eisenbahnzugmaschine gepanzert hm.jpg
This has been identified as Type 98 Railway Car armored prototype.
jap typ 97 lkw gepanzert hm.jpg
This has been identified as Type 97 truck armored infantry transport prototype
jap typ 92 artilleriezugmaschine sumida Typ P.jpg
This has been identified as Type 92 8t artillery towing vehicle
jap typ 1 ho-ha prototyp hm.jpg
Last one: Identified as Type 98 Half-tracked Prime Mover Large Model armored prototype from 1938

What is the story behind these vehicles?

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Re: Type 95 Truck and Other Odd Vehicles

Post by nuyt » 12 Dec 2022 10:32

I think the second truck is of particular interest. Does not look like a type 97 chassis. The truck sits rather high and this looks more like a 4x4 truck with a short wheelbase. Possibly a converted captured Marmon-Herrington artillery tractor?

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Re: Type 95 Truck and Other Odd Vehicles

Post by Akira Takizawa » 12 Dec 2022 12:30

> jap typ 98 eisenbahnzugmaschine gepanzert hm.jpg
> This has been identified as Type 98 Railway Car armored prototype.

It is correct.

> jap typ 97 lkw gepanzert hm.jpg
> This has been identified as Type 97 truck armored infantry transport prototype

It is Experimental Mechanized Infantry Vehicle(試製機械化歩兵車). See frame 33-36 of the following document.

https://www.jacar.archives.go.jp/das/image/C12121563400

As stated in the above document, it had air-cooling diesel engine, So, it was not based on Type 97 Truck. The engine of Type 97 is water-cooling, not air-cooling.

> jap typ 92 artilleriezugmaschine sumida Typ P.jpg
> This has been identified as Type 92 8t artillery towing vehicle

No, it is Type 92 AA Gun Prime Mover. Type 92 8t artillery towing vehicle is the different vehicle. Type 92 AA Gun Prime Mover was based on Sumida P Truck.
https://www.jacar.archives.go.jp/das/image/C01001359800

> jap typ 1 ho-ha prototyp hm.jpg
> Last one: Identified as Type 98 Half-tracked Prime Mover Large Model armored prototype from 1938

It is correct.

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Re: Type 95 Truck and Other Odd Vehicles

Post by Akira Takizawa » 12 Dec 2022 12:44

nuyt wrote:
12 Dec 2022 10:32
I think the second truck is of particular interest. Does not look like a type 97 chassis. The truck sits rather high and this looks more like a 4x4 truck with a short wheelbase. Possibly a converted captured Marmon-Herrington artillery tractor?
It had air-cooling diesel engine? If not, it is not.

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Re: Type 95 Truck and Other Odd Vehicles

Post by nuyt » 12 Dec 2022 14:07

Good question, I do not know, but let me ask around

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Re: Type 95 Truck and Other Odd Vehicles

Post by nuyt » 12 Dec 2022 14:24

Taki, is there any other info on the 4x4 experimental apc?
Like righthand drive or lefthand? other engine specs, like number of cylinders, cc/hp?
The location?
Could it be that the first two pictures are at the same location/factory? There a re some similarities in the way the armour has been fitted to the cabs.

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Re: Type 95 Truck and Other Odd Vehicles

Post by Akira Takizawa » 12 Dec 2022 15:34

The information about this vehicle is below. The weight 4.5t, the dimensions 5.5x2x2.3m, speed 63km/h etc. The engine is 6 cylinders, max. 90hp.

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Re: Type 95 Truck and Other Odd Vehicles

Post by nuyt » 12 Dec 2022 15:37

Thank you!

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Re: Type 95 Truck and Other Odd Vehicles

Post by nuyt » 12 Dec 2022 15:53

The engine could be the 6-cylinder in-line air-cooled Isuzu No. 3 Diesel engine, maximum horsepower 90, as used in tractors, see here: https://www.lonesentry.com/articles/ttt ... rucks.html

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Re: Type 95 Truck and Other Odd Vehicles

Post by Akira Takizawa » 12 Dec 2022 15:57

I got it. 試製機械化歩兵車 was made by Isuzu in 1938. See below.

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