Japanese blockhouses in China
Japanese blockhouses in China
It seems that these blockhouses, or "gun towers" as they are called by the Chinese, were an important part of the Japanese defense system in China. Many of them are still surviving today.
Are there any pictures or info of them from Japanese source?
Here are photos of some of the biggest Japanese blockhouses in north China.
Are there any pictures or info of them from Japanese source?
Here are photos of some of the biggest Japanese blockhouses in north China.
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In Japanese it was called as 望楼 (boro).
Originally this word refered to navy watch post on the high locations nearby seashore. So original boro do not have tower and instead built on a hill or cliff.
In Chinese theater IJA often made a barrack/headquarter by block, locally available. I don't know how a watchtower was essential for the defense but often they had ones and the base itself was inofficially called as boro.
Originally this word refered to navy watch post on the high locations nearby seashore. So original boro do not have tower and instead built on a hill or cliff.
In Chinese theater IJA often made a barrack/headquarter by block, locally available. I don't know how a watchtower was essential for the defense but often they had ones and the base itself was inofficially called as boro.
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Were all of these Boros supposedly built by the Japanese? I would suspect that many of them may have been older Chinese fortifications, perhaps strengthened and up graded, and reused by Japanese troops.
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Yeah, the first "gun towers"(炮楼) appeared in China in late 19th century, and the latest ones were built in 1949. These gun towers were built by wealthy Chinese families to protect their home from being attacked by gangasters. And when Japanese army started to built these blockhouses in China, the Chinese people also call them "gun towers".Ron Sundby wrote:Were all of these Boros supposedly built by the Japanese? I would suspect that many of them may have been older Chinese fortifications, perhaps strengthened and up graded, and reused by Japanese troops.
Ron
I remember seeing some articals said that Chinese gun towers were used by Japanese army, but it seems that these were rare cases.
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Thank you for the info!hisashi wrote:In Japanese it was called as 望楼 (boro).
Originally this word refered to navy watch post on the high locations nearby seashore. So original boro do not have tower and instead built on a hill or cliff.
In Chinese theater IJA often made a barrack/headquarter by block, locally available. I don't know how a watchtower was essential for the defense but often they had ones and the base itself was inofficially called as boro.
It seems that building "watchtowers" was a popular way to form a defense system for Japanese troops in Chinese theater and in many cases these watchtowers were seprate buildings food and ammunitons stored in them.
And accroding to some Chinese sources, over 200 "Japanese engineers" were employed by Chinese general Yan Xishan(阎锡山) who also employed many other Japanese troopers. They designed and built a complex defense system outside the city of Taiyuan which consisted of over 5000 blockhouses and pillboxes.
Do you have any pictures of these Japanese blockhouses from Japanese side?
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One photo here:
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Recently I bought two gooks of reprinted German railroad maps in 1930s and older. I am waiting reprinted Reibert (soldier's manual) and a book on Goring's Carinhall from amazon.de. I spend most of my time and budget on European theater and here I am consulting those commonly known to Japanese military buffs and those easily figured out by searching by right Japanese keywords. I have little special resources and in most theater I have little interest in a picture... oh I love organization charts of course.YC Chen wrote: Do you have any pictures of these Japanese blockhouses from Japanese side?
If the confronting forces have fairly good firepower, say bazooka, or a 12.7mm HMG and plenty of ammo, an isolated blockhouse would not hold long. It would be targeted and broken down. After 1941 IJA removed many of infantry divisions in China of their artillery pieces. In such a situation, blosktower would have been a formidable strongpoints for sniping and sweeping by MG.
Lastly, but not in the least, I am sorry that IJA often robbed needed blocks from Chinese housed nearby.
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Two large blockhouses / boro / gun towers in undated photos:
Apparently photographed from a train, this blockhouse guarding the railroad bridge looks like it has a ring of large sandbags around its roof. A man is just visible there, standing outside the open door of a conical pillbox. They both give scale to the blockhouse. Without them, it might be mistaken as much larger than it is.
This tower along a river embankment looks well-finished in concrete. The stepped embrasures for its guns hint at the thickness of its walls, and their design to stop ricochet of small shells from entering.
The tower's shape is hard to tell from its crenelated roofline, but seems to be an irregular polygon. Its ends are angled as bastions, with broadsides to the river on one side and the embankment on the other. There looks like a small river steamboat at bottom left of photo, possibly flying the Manchukuo flag but also showing how close the tower is to the river's edge.
Might it have been armed with some small cannon, say 37mm or 47mm, as well as small arms? The great size and thickness of this blockhouse and others like it looks meant to resist direct fire from light artillery.
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- (from Colonel Roy M. Stanley's Prelude to Pearl Harbor: Japan's War In China, 1937-45 (Charles Scribners Sons, 1982), pages 7 and 9)
Apparently photographed from a train, this blockhouse guarding the railroad bridge looks like it has a ring of large sandbags around its roof. A man is just visible there, standing outside the open door of a conical pillbox. They both give scale to the blockhouse. Without them, it might be mistaken as much larger than it is.
- Author Stanley mentioned a "Garrison Group" of the South Manchuria Railway which took part in the Mukden Incident. Was this the company's own armed security or police? Might they have manned some of these posts?
This tower along a river embankment looks well-finished in concrete. The stepped embrasures for its guns hint at the thickness of its walls, and their design to stop ricochet of small shells from entering.
The tower's shape is hard to tell from its crenelated roofline, but seems to be an irregular polygon. Its ends are angled as bastions, with broadsides to the river on one side and the embankment on the other. There looks like a small river steamboat at bottom left of photo, possibly flying the Manchukuo flag but also showing how close the tower is to the river's edge.
Might it have been armed with some small cannon, say 37mm or 47mm, as well as small arms? The great size and thickness of this blockhouse and others like it looks meant to resist direct fire from light artillery.
- It has been said by a few authors that architectural-styled fortifications (like this one here) are meant to look imposing to the attacker (and his population) and assuring to the defender.
-- Alan
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Thank you all for your posts.
Some of the blockhouse which are the same type as the one in the second photo posted by Sewer King still stands. Here are photos of one of the most famous one, near a railway bridge in Harbin:
http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=282133317?fr=image_tieba
And here are some smaller blockhouses in Zhangjiakou:
http://www.zjknews.com/bbs/dispbbs.asp? ... 2&ID=40644
And you can find many many links like this in Chinese, just search "炮楼".
There used to be some Japanese blockhouses in surburb Nanking, but most of them has been demolished. Some people even use the bricks from the demolished blockhouses to build their own house.
Some of the blockhouse which are the same type as the one in the second photo posted by Sewer King still stands. Here are photos of one of the most famous one, near a railway bridge in Harbin:
http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=282133317?fr=image_tieba
And here are some smaller blockhouses in Zhangjiakou:
http://www.zjknews.com/bbs/dispbbs.asp? ... 2&ID=40644
And you can find many many links like this in Chinese, just search "炮楼".
There used to be some Japanese blockhouses in surburb Nanking, but most of them has been demolished. Some people even use the bricks from the demolished blockhouses to build their own house.
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Perhaps Stanley referred to independent garrison (dokuritsi shubitai). I explained on them in another thread. It was IJA formation. The railroad company had weapon factory and as an extreme example the company built armored trains but they put them into the use of IJA. It was IJA that manned them.Sewer King wrote:Author Stanley mentioned a "Garrison Group" of the South Manchuria Railway which took part in the Mukden Incident. Was this the company's own armed security or police? Might they have manned some of these posts?
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 2#p1379940
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Thank you in return, it is one thing to see faraway fortifications but another matter to see inside with such good detail.YC Chen wrote:... Here are photos of one of the most famous one, near a railway bridge in Harbin:
Some of these look as if made with local field stones, a natural move. Being posted in them would seem even more bleak and boring than other sentry duty might be.YC Chen wrote:And here are some smaller blockhouses in Zhangjiakou ...
This comes out as a small historical irony, or at least history coming back around in full circle.hisashi wrote:... Lastly, but not in the least, I am sorry that IJA often robbed needed blocks from Chinese housed nearby.YC Chen wrote:... Some people even use the bricks from the demolished blockhouses to build their own house.
It is noticeable that enough of the blockhouses seen here so far were built of bricks, which would resist small arms and grenades but not the next heavier weapons as hisashi said. These fortifications defended against local Chinese, who were only lightly armed.
There seems no apparent thought of ever having to defend against the heavily-armed Russians. The large crenelated blockhouse photographed on the riverbank looks stronger, firstly for being made of poured concrete as well as having the stepped embrasures.
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Thanks also as always hisashi, I had missed following that thread earlier, but am studying it now at length. Presumably the various IG units served at least some police functions where they were stationed?hisashi wrote:Perhaps Stanley referred to independent garrison (dokuritsi shubitai). I explained on them in another thread. It was IJA formation. The railroad company had weapon factory and as an extreme example the company built armored trains but they put them into the use of IJA. It was IJA that manned them.
I have heard something of ordnance-related work by the South Manchuria Railway, which made me wonder in another thread if they had built this locally-made-looking armored rail car. They also seem to have had their own strong medical organization.
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From ebay,seller tugsbote.
Blockhouse or fortified house of some sort in background.
Blockhouse or fortified house of some sort in background.
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Same source.
Curious to know the significance of this tower.
Curious to know the significance of this tower.
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Here it is again,magazine article from 1938.
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From ebay,seller tugsbote.
"Pill-box", note camoflage pattern.
"Pill-box", note camoflage pattern.
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