Koreans & Taiwanese in the Imperial Army

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Post by acedguy » 04 Sep 2004, 20:47

Windward wrote:
acedguy wrote:Park ku sung-(Togo heiachiro)-the ministry of foreign affairs of Tojo cabinet(A-rated war criminal)
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But... but his family had settled in Japan for more than three centuries... could he still be regarded as a Korean?
I see Windward,Thank you very much for your information and correction.

I just received this answer from a Japanese history forum and now confirmed that he was the descent of Korean who moved into Japan in 17 century. I do not know how he maintained Korean name after his family moved there centuries ago.

Usually Koreans who served for Japanese military do not revealing their record and there is very rare books to treat this topic in Korea so I asked Japanese forumers and they told the persons what I posted.

Thank you very much for your correction.
It seems like that you know really many things. :D

Good Luck.

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Post by Windward » 05 Sep 2004, 09:49

acedguy wrote:I just received this answer from a Japanese history forum and now confirmed that he was the descent of Korean who moved into Japan in 17 century. I do not know how he maintained Korean name after his family moved there centuries ago.
You must know Japan invaded Korea in 1592 (the Imjin War) and Yoshihiro Shimadzu, lord of Satsuma looted a lot of Korean potters and ceramists to his feudality. Togo or Park's ancestor was one of them. And to made "pure" Korean porcelains in a "Korean atmosphere", Shimadzu ordered these Korean potters live in villages which built as copy of Korean villages, wear Korean clothes, maintain their Korean names and speak Korean. That's why Park's family name could be remained till the late 1890s. PS, you know after the 1910 annexation a lot of Koreans were forced to change their name into Japanese names.

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Post by acedguy » 05 Sep 2004, 14:23

Windward wrote:
acedguy wrote:I just received this answer from a Japanese history forum and now confirmed that he was the descent of Korean who moved into Japan in 17 century. I do not know how he maintained Korean name after his family moved there centuries ago.
You must know Japan invaded Korea in 1592 (the Imjin War) and Yoshihiro Shimadzu, lord of Satsuma looted a lot of Korean potters and ceramists to his feudality. Togo or Park's ancestor was one of them. And to made "pure" Korean porcelains in a "Korean atmosphere", Shimadzu ordered these Korean potters live in villages which built as copy of Korean villages, wear Korean clothes, maintain their Korean names and speak Korean. That's why Park's family name could be remained till the late 1890s. PS, you know after the 1910 annexation a lot of Koreans were forced to change their name into Japanese names.

regards!
Dear Windward,you so Wonderful,I am now bowing to your abundant intelliginece.
You told what I had cheked and about to post.

Yes, Togo was a descendent of Korean ceramist who had to forcefully moved into Japan during the Imjin war.

About the Koreans who served for imperial military,I think the reason why they mind revealing their past record is all due to their inferiority complex...I

I can read Koreans' two faced actions during the war and the pro Japan class became the leader class of Korea after Japanese had withdrawed from Korean peninsula.

We failed punishing them but instead of it,they all became the leading class from media field to economy field.
Now they are still very politically and economically strong and anxiously protesting against the law of the "diagnosis of pro japan's past record".
Its not even for the punishing but just revealing and diagnosis....SHAME.

But the kids of the Koreans who fought for the independence now living in lower class...or many of them failed to get returned back to Korea after the war...


The sad history of weak country.

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Post by Windward » 05 Sep 2004, 16:12

S Korean party head resigns over father's collaboration with Japan

Thursday, August 19, 2004 at 11:08 JST

SEOUL — The chairman of South Korea's ruling Uri Party, Shin Ki Nam, resigned Thursday after it was disclosed that his father was a collaborator with Japanese colonial authorities during Japan's 1910-1945 rule of the Korean Peninsula.

Shin, 52, who is serving his third term in parliament, also apologized for his father's service as a military policeman in the Japanese army. He had been under pressure to resign following media reports about his father's past. "On the behalf of my father, I humbly apologize to those independence fighters and bereaved families," said Shin, who took over the top party post in May. (Kyodo News)

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Post by acedguy » 06 Sep 2004, 12:48

Windward wrote:
S Korean party head resigns over father's collaboration with Japan

Thursday, August 19, 2004 at 11:08 JST

SEOUL — The chairman of South Korea's ruling Uri Party, Shin Ki Nam, resigned Thursday after it was disclosed that his father was a collaborator with Japanese colonial authorities during Japan's 1910-1945 rule of the Korean Peninsula.

Shin, 52, who is serving his third term in parliament, also apologized for his father's service as a military policeman in the Japanese army. He had been under pressure to resign following media reports about his father's past. "On the behalf of my father, I humbly apologize to those independence fighters and bereaved families," said Shin, who took over the top party post in May. (Kyodo News)
Shin did not resign due to his father's record but he cheated his father's record severals times. Thats why he resigned.

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Post by CowboyCarl » 11 Jan 2005, 22:37

Actually, I have read from some Chinese books, there were some Koreans in the Imperial Army in China. I remember the book mentioned some Korean names. What is different is that most of those Taiwaneses served in the Imperial Army have normally Japanese style. Because of the colony policy, the Japanese tried to make Taiwaneses give up their Chinese names but using the Japanese ones. Of course this can not be considered as a glorious action in most part of the world so some Taiwanese did and some did not. The former PM of Taiwan, his family did so and his brother died in Luzon as Imperial soldier with a Japanese name.

The old people still have memories of Korean civilians in China at that time. After Kim Ku arranged Yun Bang-gil assassinated the command of Imperial Army in China, all Korean were considered as hero and were served free in the restaurants.

I have read the memoir of Kim Ku and some articles about his son, a general in the air force of Korea. It is said that the momey for their resistance were firstly collected from the Koreans in the States, those only earned one dollar one day and sent 20 or 30 cents to them. And later on, they got the moeny from Chiang. I still remember the book said that when Kim Ku saw those wounded Chinese soldiers in Shanghai 1932, he cried out because he realized that he could not do so even he wants to blood for Korea. It was a very good book, btw.

Windward, I have one doubt that the lineal consanguinity from Pu Yi is really so important? I mean after "Hong Xian" Restoration, it was clear enough that Chinese do not want a empire anymore. Thanks for the bombers in Korea~
BTW, I could not remember who fits you description of your greatgrandfather. Give me more hints, maybe:)

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Post by Koichi » 05 Nov 2006, 00:08

Hey everyone, I'm glad I found this place, I've been looking for info about Korean and Taiwanese soldiers in the IJA for a while. I knew one of the reasons they were hard to spot in the IJA was that the Japanese forced alot of them to adopt Japanese names. Both Korea and Taiwan were much smaller countries than Japan yet many decades of colonial rule never eliminated the native cultures of the two countries neither did the Japanese garner sufficient loyalty from their subjects to muster large numbers of volunteers. I also knew that Japan resorted to extensive conscription with the result that hundreds of thousands of Korean and Taiwanese soldiers served in rear echelon tasks ranging from hard labor to POW guard duty.

Yet there were considerable amounts of volunteers and here's my question: For a reasonable loyal and capable Korean or Taiwanese soldier, how hard was it to advance in the ranks of the IJA? Were the Japanese reasonable about rewarding merit or did racial bigotry get in the way? You guys posted that several members of the Korean royal family became high ranking officers but those don't really count. Chances are too high that they received their offices as a result of their birth rather than merit (and the Japanese wanted to garner cooperation from their subjects). Yet there were a few high ranking IJA officers who were Korean or Taiwanese in origin, one in particular (I forgot his name, I think he served in SE Asia), after astonishing his men as to his ethnicity, broke into traditional Korean song and dance.

PS, how about the IJN? Were there alot of Korean or Taiwanese in the navy?

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Post by Animal » 05 Nov 2006, 10:29

There was a thread in here about a Korean who was drafted into the Japanese Army, captured by the Soviets in the Nomohan Incident in 1939, got impressed into the Red Army, was captured AGAIN, by the Germans in 1941, joined the Heer's Eastern Auxiliaries, and was stationed manning the defenses in Normandy where he was taken prisoner ONCE AGAIN, this time by the Americans on D-Day. In fact, I think they're making a movie about him.

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Post by Kim Sung » 05 Nov 2006, 15:39

Animal wrote:There was a thread in here about a Korean who was drafted into the Japanese Army, captured by the Soviets in the Nomohan Incident in 1939, got impressed into the Red Army, was captured AGAIN, by the Germans in 1941, joined the Heer's Eastern Auxiliaries, and was stationed manning the defenses in Normandy where he was taken prisoner ONCE AGAIN, this time by the Americans on D-Day. In fact, I think they're making a movie about him.
A Korean POW in Normandy, a hero in a new movie

The plan to make a movie is being delayed due to budget problem because it has to cover three colossal battles of WWII; the Battle of Nomonhan, the Soviet Winter Offensive in 1941 and Operation Overlord.

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Post by Carl Schwamberger » 05 Nov 2006, 22:56

Who is making this movie?

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Post by Kim Sung » 06 Nov 2006, 06:07

The movie is being made by CJ Entertainment (CJ 엔터테인먼트)

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Post by Animal » 06 Nov 2006, 06:17

Kim Sung wrote:
Animal wrote:There was a thread in here about a Korean who was drafted into the Japanese Army, captured by the Soviets in the Nomonhan Incident in 1939, got impressed into the Red Army, was captured AGAIN, by the Germans in 1941, joined the Heer's Eastern Auxiliaries, and was stationed manning the defenses in Normandy where he was taken prisoner ONCE AGAIN, this time by the Americans on D-Day. In fact, I think they're making a movie about him.
A Korean POW in Normandy, a hero in a new movie

The plan to make a movie is being delayed due to budget problem because it has to cover three colossal battles of WWII; the Battle of Nomonhan, the Soviet Winter Offensive in 1941 and Operation Overlord.
Although the Nomanhan battle actually happened before World War II began. Of course it could be counted as maybe a secondary front of the Sino-Japanese War.

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Post by Klemen L. » 17 Mar 2007, 15:40

One of the first Japanese POWs in POW Camp Bikaner in India was Senior Sergeant AOKI AKIRA. His airplane was shot down down over Rangoon and crash landed. Ultimately he became one of the POW section leaders. Nothing unusual except that he appeared to be the member of a royal house in Korea. After the war he became the first commander of the South Korean Air Force and was killed in action while leading a section of three South Korea P-51 Mustangs against North Korean tanks near Seoul. His post-war name was Colonel [???] RHEE. Any idea who he might be or what was his full name? Everytime when I put Rhee and Korea in Google or Yahoo I tend to get an inflation of hits about South Korea's first president Syngman Rhee and nothing about him.

Perhaps some Korean contributors on this forum can help.

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Post by Kim Sung » 17 Mar 2007, 17:32

His name was Yi Kun-Sup (이근섭).

He was killed when his P-51 was shot down in Anyang (안양) on July 4, 1950. According to one of his unit members, his P-51 was not shot down but collided on the land due to his failure in managing his aircraft.

According to some doubtable sources, he shot down more than 20 allied fighters during the Pacific War.

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Post by JoeB » 17 Mar 2007, 20:58

Kim Sung wrote:His name was Yi Kun-Sup (이근섭).

He was killed when his P-51 was shot down in Anyang (안양) on July 4, 1950.

According to some doubtable sources, he shot down more than 20 allied fighters during the Pacific War.
I think his given name was Kun-Suk ( 근석) As in this link
http://ki.warmemo.co.kr:8101/warmemo/js ... 625HM00009
(hanmun: 李根晳) transliterated as Lee Gun-Suk in the English version of the ROKAF Official History.

The ROKAF started ops with 10 F-51's July 3. The Official History and other sources give 10 as the number of qualified Korean pilots so the number of planes initially requested, but USAF inventory records also show 10 F-51's issued to units in the FEAF a/o June 30 1950 so presumably in ready status (with 37 others on hand in Japan were presumably in storage; most of the F-51's used to convert some FEAF F-80 units back to F-51's later in the summer, were shipped from the US West Coast by aircraft carrier). Maybe 10 was a convenient compromise for the initial number. Interestingly, 4 of the initial 10 F-51's reached Suwon with USAF pilots during an NK air raid June 29 and claimed [3] Il-10's and an La-7 (probably a Yak-11).

In any case Lee flew the first ROKAF F-51 mission July 3, then the Official History gives this account of his loss July 4:

". A formation of four, led by Col Lee, Gun-Suk, approached Shiheung at 1230 hours. The formation identified a thick column of enemy vehicles, spearheaded by 20 tanks. The ROKAF pilots quickly split into two attacking elements. Col Lee and Lt Col Kim, Young-Hwan began strafing the enemy tanks while Maj Park, Hee-Dong and Capt Jang, Song-Hwan orbited over the target area trying to detect additional enemy movements. As Col Lee began a nose-dive maneuver, his aircraft was hit by enemy anti-aircraft artillery fire. Col Lee recognized there was no way he would escape death and gave up his life by diving his crippled F-51 into an enemy tank."

I'm not saying that has to be true, just providing the official version. Lee was posthumously promoted to Brigadier General. His biography in the same book in part says:

"Lee, Gun-Suk was born on 17 January 1917 at Kuwonli, Pyongannamdo Province. He graduated from Pyongyang Senior High School and learned to fly at the Japanese Unggok Flight School, Youth Pilot Course. He completed the course in 1934. Lee was first assigned to Kilgang Unit, Japanese Army and won first place in a Japanese Army flight contest. He was commissioned as a Second Lieutenant in the ROK Army, along with six other founders of the ROK Air Force, on 14 May 1948."

Not much detail on Japanese military career, nor in the link. This seems still to be a sensitive topic in South Korea, war time Japanese military careers of respected people.

Klemen L, was your source the book "The Anguish of Surrender"? it pops up on Google with a similar quote to what you said, "Aoki" was Lee. Does any other source say it?

Per "Bloody Shambles" vol 1 by Shores et al, the 77th Sentai lost 3 Ki-27's Dec 25 1941 (and the 64th Sentai 2 Ki-43's) escorting Ki-21 bombers (4 lost) over Rangoon, against 67th Sdn RAF Buffalo's (4 lost) and AVG P-40's (2 lost), each side's claims at the time higher of course. One of the 77th pilots missing and presumed dead by his unit was a Warrant Officer Aoki, so that fits. Being so early in the Pacific War 20 victories does seem highly unlikely, but it seems he actually did fly combat against the Allies.

[edit, in "JAAF Fighter Units and their Aces" by Hata et al the 77th Sentai POW Dec 25 '41 is listed as "Sgt.Maj Ri Kontetu", matching the first two syllables of 李根晳 at least, I don't know if 晳 is ever pronouced "tetu" in Japanese; he's not in the list of pilots with 8 or more victories in that book.]

The general story of a WWII Korean ace against the US that various US Korean War pilots met (or perhaps heard of and later mistakenly remembered personally meeting) appears in a number of books, but no name. I guess this is at least one source of the story, a connection I hadn't seen before, fascinating.

On the other side (of the Korean War) the vice chief of the NK air force at the start of the war, Lee Whal (李闊) was a graduate of the "Nagoya AF school" per the book "Buk han inmingun daesa" (北韓人民軍隊史) and his JAAF service is also mentioned in US intel documents, the source there being the Yak-9 pilot Bak Gyung-Ok shot down and captured right at the beginning of the KW.

Joe

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