Number of Dead people in Hisroshima and Nagasaki?

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Number of Dead people in Hisroshima and Nagasaki?

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Post by Gen. Erwin Rommel » 29 Apr 2003, 02:01

Can someone tell me the official numbers of people who died there in eatch city?

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Post by James McBride » 29 Apr 2003, 02:22

In Hiroshima, of a resident civilian population of 250 000 it was estimated that 45 000 died on the first day and a further 19 000 during the subsequent four months. In Nagasaki, out of a population of 174 000, 22 000 died on the first day and another 17 000 within four months. Unrecorded deaths of military personnel and foreign workers may have added considerably to these figures.
From http://www.uic.com.au/nip29.htm

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Post by Juggernaut » 29 Apr 2003, 03:15

:( just dont forget the thousands of american soldiers spared.

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Post by Lobscouse » 29 Apr 2003, 04:58

I just checked the map of the Third Reich, but cannot find Hiroshima or Nagasaki.

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Post by Nagelfar » 29 Apr 2003, 05:11

Lobscouse wrote:I just checked the map of the Third Reich, but cannot find Hiroshima or Nagasaki.
I guess that's your covered way of saying this should have been posted at the "WW2 in the Pacific & Sino-Japanese War" section..? :P

Marcus will get to moving it I suppose :wink:

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Post by Lobscouse » 29 Apr 2003, 07:08

Thank you Nagelfar, for putting it so nicely. You are not the first to notice my weak attempts at sarcasm, and I should know better.

But the Herr General did attend staff college.

Infanterie Greift An.

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Post by Gwynn Compton » 29 Apr 2003, 09:31

Not Marcus, me instead :)

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Post by Gen. Erwin Rommel » 29 Apr 2003, 13:15

Sorry about put some posts in the wrong places, but im new here, but i will try avoid the same situation in the future.

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Post by Caldric » 30 Apr 2003, 07:34

James McBride gives the same numbers I have from a couple of books here on the subject, or very close anyway.

The deaths although there were many, it is not as high as many people assume, in fact the firebombing of Tokyo did more damage and killed more people then both Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined. The bombs were insignificant compared to modern thermonuclear weapons.

Consider the largest of the two dropped on Japan was 21 Kiloton. In 1954 the United States tested a 15,000 Kiloton weapon at Bikini Atoll.

In 1962 the USSR was rumored to have tested a 20,000 KT atmospheric burst weapon, that is unimaginable power.


Here is an image of the US Bravo H Bomb in 1954 with 15,000 kiloton yield:

http://www.zvis.com/nuclear/dimg.php3?bravo3,ctbravo

To large to post, but do have a look, as you can see this is a real city wiping weapon.
Bravo's 15 Megaton explosion ripped the crater, which was 6510ft in diameter, with a depth of 250 ft. The fireball was 4 miles in diameter. The mushroom at its peak was 130,000ft (40+ km) high, 322,500ft (100 km) diameter with a stem of 22,500ft (7km).
The weapon was 2.5 times more yield then expected.

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Post by James McBride » 01 May 2003, 06:03

Caldric wrote:James McBride gives the same numbers I have from a couple of books here on the subject, or very close anyway.
I just typed "Hiroshima and Nagasaki Atomic Bomb Deaths" into Google, because I had been curious about the numbers myself. I am glad that the numbers are correct or near correct, because I only found two websites with numbers of the first twenty, and the numbers were slightly different.

James

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Not with actual quotes on the search. That was just to show what I searched clearly.

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Post by Caldric » 01 May 2003, 23:23

One thing to remember about Nagasaki and Hiroshima were fission bombs, which work just fine, however the fusion bombs designed after the war were much more devastating weapons.

The big bombs like the Castle Test and its 15 megaton explosion are 100's of times more damaging then the realtive small bombs dropped at Hiroshima/Nagasaki.

Even the small 2 kiloton fussion bombs would most likely do much more damage to Nagasaki then the 21 kt dropped there.

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Post by Sam H. » 09 May 2003, 14:56

Isn't progress wonderful?

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Post by ChristopherPerrien » 09 May 2003, 20:57

I suppose since the topic question has been answered, this discussion is going slightly "off-topic". I will make my own topic in the lounge.

How many and how big are the a/h-bombs that Pakistan and India have?

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Post by FL Jim » 31 May 2003, 00:37

I seem to recall reading somewhere that the geography of Nagasaki helped to increase the intensity of the bomb blast and death rate. Nagasaki is in somewhat of a "bowl" which would concentrate the power of the explosion. Am I recalling this correctly?

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Post by ChristopherPerrien » 31 May 2003, 01:17

No, the valleys and hills in and aroud Nagasaki actually deflected the blast preventing the blast from being a nice big pretty circular pattern. It may have been more intense in the valleys but I really don't think that matters.

I believe Nagasaki was the tertiary(third) target that day, It was the last on the list, bad weather weather prevented it from being dropped on Kyoto or the secondary target I can't remember
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