IJN Fleet locations 24:00 5 June 42
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IJN Fleet locations 24:00 5 June 42
Am searching for the locations and course of the various components of the Japanese fleet near Midway the night of 5 June. Specifically when they received the order to withdraw west. Nothing on my shelf has more than a few large red arrows. If anyone can point to as source, or enable my laziness & provide a chart or data indicating location, course, and speed I'd be grateful
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Re: IJN Fleet locations 24:00 5 June 42
Have you read Parshall & Tully's Shattered Sword? That is more than likely the most credible source of info on the Battle of Midway out there today.
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Re: IJN Fleet locations 24:00 5 June 42
Do not remember this information in it. Ifyou think it is there I'll I'll go back to the library & look again.
Re: IJN Fleet locations 24:00 5 June 42
Yamamoto's cancellation orders for MI sakusen went out at 0255 JST on the 5th.
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Re: IJN Fleet locations 24:00 5 June 42
Thanks.
Does that place it at 06:55 or 07:55 Midway time? On the current TZ chart it looks like a 3-4 hours difference depending on which TZ Midway is counted in.
Does that place it at 06:55 or 07:55 Midway time? On the current TZ chart it looks like a 3-4 hours difference depending on which TZ Midway is counted in.
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Re: IJN Fleet locations 24:00 5 June 42
Bump
Still searching for accurate information on this subject. A friend & I are trying to extrapolate from assorted sketch maps, but the results are not satisfactory.
Still searching for accurate information on this subject. A friend & I are trying to extrapolate from assorted sketch maps, but the results are not satisfactory.
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Re: IJN Fleet locations 24:00 5 June 42
Maybe this map will help: http://midway1942.com/img/maps/bates_diagram_e.png
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Re: IJN Fleet locations 24:00 5 June 42
Thanks, that helps immensely. It looks like the reversal did not occur simultaneously with different groups. The times shown need some clarification. They look like local time.
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Re: IJN Fleet locations 24:00 5 June 42
Glad to be of help.Carl Schwamberger wrote:Thanks, that helps immensely. It looks like the reversal did not occur simultaneously with different groups. The times shown need some clarification. They look like local time.
As for the times - there is a time zone mentioned at the right bottom corner of the map.
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Re: IJN Fleet locations 24:00 5 June 42
The Japanese Navy used Tokyo time. The US Navy used Greenwich Mean Time. Both used local time in some situations. This allows for a great deal of confusion when trying to convert the original source materials to local time in order to present a coherent narrative. I suspect that many authors have gotten it wrong.Carl Schwamberger wrote:It looks like the reversal did not occur simultaneously with different groups. The times shown need some clarification. They look like local time.
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Re: IJN Fleet locations 24:00 5 June 42
I can see that. Intend to match sunrise times as one cross check. Comparing time recorded times for air strikes would be another,. Tho less precise.
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Re: IJN Fleet locations 24:00 5 June 42
Related question here: viewtopic.php?f=65&t=228593&p=2078760#p2078760
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Re: IJN Fleet locations 24:00 5 June 42
Had time to revisit this question today; The illustration below suggest one possible route the combined 2d Fleet would take after rendezvous with the Mobile Force around 02:00 . I'm searching here for any better ideas on Yamamotos intent/plan for the 2d Fleet had he continued his efforts to engage battle.
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Re: IJN Fleet locations 24:00 5 June 42
Thought I'd bump this up & see if any information sprouted.