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japenese panther

Post by aurelien wolff » 12 Aug 2018 10:43

Hello! I'm new and I don't know if my post is in the right place,but here what I found about the japanese variant of the panther:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/com ... ther_tank/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/com ... _tank_no5/
PS: sorry for my english,I'm french .

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Re: japenese panther

Post by Akira Takizawa » 12 Aug 2018 13:05

Don't believe them. They are fake.

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Re: japenese panther

Post by aurelien wolff » 12 Aug 2018 15:59

Why are they fake?

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Re: japenese panther

Post by Akira Takizawa » 13 Aug 2018 02:06

Japan has never built a copy of Panther. Japanese Panther is fake.

That guy "Tank Mom" posted several would-be new formation about Japanese tanks. But, they are all fake.

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Re: japenese panther

Post by aurelien wolff » 13 Aug 2018 06:02

Quote your source for that affirmation please,I want to know more.

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Re: japenese panther

Post by Akira Takizawa » 13 Aug 2018 08:08

There are some IJA documents about tank development of 1943 plan at Japan national archives. But, none of them mentioned the copy of Panther. It is impossible that the tank which was not listed on the plan was built.
https://www.jacar.archives.go.jp/das/image/C14011078700
https://www.jacar.archives.go.jp/das/image/C14011080100

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Re: japenese panther

Post by aurelien wolff » 13 Aug 2018 10:37

Maybe the tank in question wasn't a copy of the panther but a new tank inspired by the panther and what do you think the one who was ordered by the japanese,fake or not?

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Re: japenese panther

Post by Akira Takizawa » 13 Aug 2018 11:44

Only three types of tanks except for light tanks were developed by the Japanese from 1943 to 1945. They are Type 3 Chi-Nu, Type 4 Chi-To and Type 5 Chi-Ri. They were Japanese traditional design. There was no tank inspired by Panther.

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Re: japenese panther

Post by Rob Stuart » 13 Aug 2018 12:36

aurelien wolff wrote:
13 Aug 2018 10:37
Maybe the tank in question wasn't a copy of the panther but a new tank inspired by the panther and what do you think the one who was ordered by the japanese,fake or not?
The discussions you have cited are between wargamers. I'm not familiar with the participants but I get the impression that much of what is being said is probably fictitious or imaginary, i.e., someone wants to fight a war game in which the Japanese have Panthers so they've invented a fictitious back story to explain how that might be possible.

I've read a few book about the tanks of WW2, some of which refer to tanks under development which never made it to combat, and there is no reference to any Japanese Panther. The idea boggles the mind. The Japanese aviation industry was advanced enough to produce a copy of the Me-262 in prototype, but the Japanese tank industry was not its equal, in either quality or quantity. Of the three tanks mentioned by Taki, the Type 3, a 1943 design, went into production in 1944 but only 50 to 60 of them were produced before the war ended, and fewer still of the Type 4 were produced. The Type 5 would apparently have been a good design, with a 75mm gun and decent armour, but it did not go into production. The Japanese may well have acquired Panther blueprints and maybe they incorporated one or two ideas from it in their own designs (I am speculating in saying that), but they were wise not to copy the Panther. It would have been too much of an advance to do in a single leap.

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Re: japenese panther

Post by aurelien wolff » 24 Mar 2019 10:48

what about the panther they bought?

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Re: japenese panther

Post by Akira Takizawa » 25 Mar 2019 02:11

Japan did not buy Panther.

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Re: japenese panther

Post by aurelien wolff » 25 Mar 2019 05:01

what are your source for saying they are fake?
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http://ww2f.com/threads/german-tanks-in ... ice.54297/

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Re: japenese panther

Post by Akira Takizawa » 25 Mar 2019 07:52

I did not say that these photos are fake. Japanese inspected Panther in Germany, but they did not buy it. At least, there is no evidence that Japan bought it.

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Re: japenese panther

Post by north2014 » 30 Mar 2019 06:23

Shipment from Germany would have to have been done by submarine. A tank of the Panther's size and weight may have been impossible to ship on even the large Japanese submarines. The Panther tank was not a mature design. The German inspector of panzer forces bluntly said in 1943 that the Panther was not ready for service. He was overruled. As a result, the tanks spent a lot of time needing automotive repairs. The Germans might have only 1/3 of the Panthers on the roster available for action. Aside from the severe demands it would have made on Japanese industry, the Japanese army did not need this kind of trouble.

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