Wagner lathe No.15299 which carved Yamato's 46 cm main barrels

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Wagner lathe No.15299 which carved Yamato's 46 cm main barrels

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Post by fontessa » 06 Sep 2021, 21:46

The first photo shows Wagner lathe No.15299 introduced to Kure Naval Yard in 1938. “Wagner” was Wagner Tooling Systems Baublies GmbH located at Dortmund, Germany and “No.15299” was the production number for this lathe. Unfortunately Japan did not have the technical ability to manufacture such machine tools, so there was no choice but to enter from Europe or the United States. Imports from the United States and Britain were avoided as it provided clues to estimate shipbuilding capacity of Japan. “No.15299” was a monster machine of 5 m Width, 5 m Height, 215 ton Weight and Length was stretched to 40 m. “No.15299” carved a 160 ton Yamato's 46 cm main barrel from a 200 ton iron block. “No.15299” made 27 46 cm (18.11 inch) main barrels these were 9 for Yamato, 9 for Musashi and 9 for Shinano. The 3rd ship of Yamato class battleship Shinano was under construction at Yokosuka Naval Yard. So it had been planned that Kashino transports 9 barrels for Shinano from Kure Naval Yard to Yokosuka Naval Yard. This plan was canceled when it was decided that Shinano would be converted into an aircraft carrier. After the war, among 9 barrels for Shinano, 7 were discarded and 2 were transported to the United States for U.S. Navy’s evaluation. “No.15299” was sold to 神戸製鋼高砂製作所 Kobe Steel Takasago Works without being destroyed after the war, and continued to be used as a machine tool until 1996. In the same year, “No.15299” was sold to きしろ株式会社播磨工場 Harima Factory / Kishiro Co. Ltd. and used until 2013. Yamato Museu had proposed to keep the “No.15299” in the museum, and recently it was officially agreed. It was decided to raise funds for the movement and installation etc. of "No.15299" by crowdfunding (CF). The CF started at 9:00 Am on August 3, with a deadline of September 30, this year, with target amounts of 48 million yen for the first, 72 million yen for the second, and 100 million yen for the third. The status of donations far exceeded the expectations of those involved. 21 hours after the start, the third target of 100 million yen was exceeded, and on August 29, it exceeded 200 million yen. "No.15299" is too big to enter the museum building, and it had been planned to be exhibited in the open area of the museum after rust prevention treatment, but it is said now that a roof covering "15299" can be installed with excess of the target. All work related to " No.15299" will be completed by April next year, and the unveiling ceremony will be held on April 23.

The second photo shows barrel materials at Kure naval Distinct Artillery Factory.
We can see two types of barrel materials.
(1) Materials for 45口径(3年式)41糎砲 45 caliber (Type 3rd year = 1914) 41 cm (16.1 inch) gun (for Nagato and Mutsu)
Nagato was completed in 1920. Perhaps the main gun caliber of Nagato class battleships had been announced to be 16 inch for secrecy. So this gun became to violate the Washington Naval Treaty restriction, 16 inch. After the Washington Naval Treaty Conference, this gun was renamed into 45口径(3年式)40糎砲 45 caliber (Type 3rd year) 40 cm (16.1 inch) gun. From the above, it can be seen that this photo was taken before 1921.
(2) Materials for 50口径(3年式)14糎砲 50 caliber (Type 3rd year)14 cm (5.5 inch) gun (for 5,500 ton type light cruisers)
Usually the caliber of a light cruiser main gun were 15 cm, but it was downsized to 14 cm because the continued manual loading of 15 cm gun bullets was difficult for the Japanese, who were inferior in size.

The third is the photo of famous Yamato at the outfit pier taken on 20 September 1941. Compare the size of the main gun and a man. The weight of a main gun turret was 2,500 ton heaver than a IJN destroyer. At this time point Yamato had four secondary gun turrets and two of them were located on the side. We can see the rear doorways of the secondary turret on the left side of the funnel.

The forth photo shows Ymamato 1 / 10 Scale-model at Kure Yamato Museum. The secondary gun turrets both sides of funnel were replaced with many AA-guns and AA machine canons with the refurbishment held in February - March 1944.

The fifth photo shows a 46 cm gun barrel for Shinao under the inspection by U.S. Navy at 亀が首射場 Kamegakubi range after the war. Japanese military researcher Hara Katsuhiro 原勝洋 says that the US Navy learned at this time that Yamato's caliber was 18.11 inch instead of 16 inch for the first time in his book 戦艦大和建造記録 Battleshop Yamato Construction Record. Yamato's main gun caliber was strictly concealed. IJN called it “特40糎砲 Special 40 cm gun”, and even in IJN only a few knew the true caliber.


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Post by ijnfleetadmiral » 11 Sep 2021, 00:46

I believe the lathe has been saved for preservation...last I heard the fundraising program had raised a whopping 440% of the necessary funds.
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Post by fontessa » 11 Sep 2021, 06:59

fontessa wrote:
06 Sep 2021, 21:46
crowdfunding (CF). The CF started at 9:00 Am on August 3, with a deadline of September 30, this year, with target amounts of 48 million yen for the first, 72 million yen for the second, and 100 million yen for the third. 21 hours after the start, the third target of 10100 million yen was exceeded, and on August 29, it exceeded 200 million yen.
This crowdfunding is in “All or Nothing” frame. In other words, if the total amount of support does not reach the target within the deadline, the collected funds must be fully refunded. If the organizer raises the fund with a true target of 100 million yen and the donation is not reached it, all will be lost. To avoid this, the fund organizers set the targets as follows. Very clever.
- 1st Target: 48 million yen: Transportation / Installation / Rust Prevention / Gantry Production
- 2nd Target: 72 million yen: Geological Design and Construction
- 3rd Target: 100 million yen: Roof Installation
If the donation does not reach the 1st Target, the CF will be canceled and the donations will be returned to the donors.
As of today, the total donation amounted to 221.29 million yen.

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Post by fontessa » 12 Nov 2022, 00:47

The lathe arrived in Kure on 4 November 2022. The lathe was transported in 9 pieces from きしろ株式会社播磨工場 Harima Factory / Kishiro Co. Ltd in Harima Town, Kako District, Hyogo Prefecture. The 148 million yen required for transportation, etc., was procured through crowdfunding, and 270 million yen, which far exceeded this amount, was collected. The lathe will be exhibited in March next year in a newly constructed exhibition facility.

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Post by ijnfleetadmiral » 12 Nov 2022, 07:58

Awesome news! Wonder what happened to the two remaining guns for SHINANO...
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Post by ShindenKai » 14 Nov 2022, 07:20

Excellent! More things like this should be done.

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Post by fontessa » 15 Nov 2022, 08:54

ijnfleetadmiral wrote:
12 Nov 2022, 07:58
Awesome news! Wonder what happened to the two remaining guns for SHINANO...
Do you mean two gun barrels that were transported to the U.S.? They were discarded without being tested.
9 gun barrel were made for Shinano. Two were requisitioned by the U.S. at 亀が首射場 Kamegakubi range. See the 5th photo of this thread #1. Rest 5 was also requisitioned in Japan by the U.S.
I was surprised to learn that only 27 of the 46cm gun barrel were made. This means that Yamato and Musashi had no reserve gun barrels. It becomes a "disposable" that only fires 200 rounds, which is the life of the gun barrel. It is hard to believe.

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Post by ijnfleetadmiral » 15 Nov 2022, 15:47

fontessa wrote:
15 Nov 2022, 08:54
I was surprised to learn that only 27 of the 46cm gun barrel were made. This means that Yamato and Musashi had no reserve gun barrels. It becomes a "disposable" that only fires 200 rounds, which is the life of the gun barrel. It is hard to believe.
I'm guessing the nine guns that were meant for SHINANO were considered spare barrels after it was decided to complete her as a carrier. Also, I imagine the reason that only 27 were made was because they probably cost a pretty penny (or in this case Yen :lol: ) to produce.
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