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Re: Unknown IJN DD Missing bow

Post by Berend » 25 Jun 2023 10:38

I don't think the third picture is a fake. Radar must have been removed or blown of at an unknown time. See also attached picture of Hayashimo on 11 January 1945.

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Re: Unknown IJN DD Missing bow

Post by fontessa » 25 Jun 2023 12:14

Berend wrote:
25 Jun 2023 10:38
I don't think the third picture is a fake. Radar must have been removed or blown of at an unknown time. See also attached picture of Hayashimo on 11 January 1945.

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Thanks for the very interesting photo.
From the shape of the forward mast with the radar, I think the lower photo you uploaded is definitely Hayashimo. She lost funnel No.2 as Japanese Wiki says. From the shape of the front mast and the presence of funnel No.2, I don't think the upper photo shows Hayashimo... .


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Re: Unknown IJN DD Missing bow

Post by ShindenKai » 26 Jun 2023 01:21

Berend wrote:
25 Jun 2023 10:38
I don't think the third picture is a fake. Radar must have been removed or blown of at an unknown time. See also attached picture of Hayashimo on 11 January 1945.

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Great pic, Berend. Thank you. -The caption of the pic states it was taken on Oct 26-28th in 1944.

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Re: Unknown IJN DD Missing bow

Post by ijnfleetadmiral » 26 Jun 2023 23:43

HAYASHIMO's wreck was attacked several times after her grounding, as the U.S. simply thought she was a still-active destroyer that was trying to repair itself enough to leave the area. So some of the damage could've been caused by those repeated attacks.
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Re: Unknown IJN DD Missing bow

Post by Berend » 28 Jun 2023 22:17

Who took this photo and how
As far as I know this picture was taken from the seaplane of USS Currituck.

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Re: Unknown IJN DD Missing bow

Post by fontessa » 29 Jun 2023 00:24

Berend wrote:
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Who took this photo and how
As far as I know this picture was taken from the seaplane of USS Currituck.

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Thanks. Very happy. So this photo is registered in the U.S. Navy archives?

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Re: Unknown IJN DD Missing bow

Post by fontessa » 06 Jul 2023 15:29

4th Fleet Incident
On 26 September 1935, the 4th Fleet during the 1935 Great Exercises off the coast of Sanriku encountered a super-sized typhoon that exceeded expectations and suffered extensive damage. On September 26th, 1935, the 4th Fleet (temporarily organized as the Red Army) during exercises off the coast of Sanriku encountered a super-sized typhoon that exceeded expectations and suffered extensive damage. The destroyers Yugiri and Shirayuki of the 4th Torpedo Squadron, which was in the right semicircle of the typhoon with the strongest winds and big waves, lost their bows. Yugiri's bow sank, but Shirayuki's bow remained afloat with a crew of 24 inside and could not be rescued. Finally, her bow was sunk by the gunfire of fellow destroyers to avoid the possibility that other nations could obtain the codebooks contained within the bow if the bow drifted out to the Pacific Ocean. Of course, an important matter like this was not decided by only the 4th Fleet HQ but the painful choice was decided after consultation with the Combined Fleet HQ / the Naval General Staff. And I heard the U.S. Carrier Task Forces also suffered serious losses by typhoons at the end stage of the war.

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Re: Unknown IJN DD Missing bow

Post by ShindenKai » 06 Jul 2023 18:19

fontessa wrote:
06 Jul 2023 15:29
4th Fleet Incident
On 26 September 1935, the 4th Fleet during the 1935 Great Exercises off the coast of Sanriku encountered a super-sized typhoon that exceeded expectations and suffered extensive damage. On September 26th, 1935, the 4th Fleet (temporarily organized as the Red Army) during exercises off the coast of Sanriku encountered a super-sized typhoon that exceeded expectations and suffered extensive damage. The destroyers Yugiri and Shirayuki of the 4th Torpedo Squadron, which was in the right semicircle of the typhoon with the strongest winds and big waves, lost their bows. Yugiri's bow sank, but Shirayuki's bow remained afloat with a crew of 24 inside and could not be rescued. Finally, her bow was sunk by the gunfire of fellow destroyers to avoid the possibility that other nations could obtain the codebooks contained within the bow if the bow drifted out to the Pacific Ocean. Of course, an important matter like this was not decided by only the 4th Fleet HQ but the painful choice was decided after consultation with the Combined Fleet HQ / the Naval General Staff. And I heard the U.S. Carrier Task Forces also suffered serious losses by typhoons at the end stage of the war.

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Excellent info, thank you Fontessa.
It's quite unfortunate that the bow section had to be sunk with the crew aboard.

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Re: Unknown IJN DD Missing bow

Post by cstunts » 06 Jul 2023 18:59

Fontessa-san,

Beautiful work, as always. Wonderful pics.

For your English vocabulary: not BOGGING, but HOGGING. These terms refer to the movement of the hull & its strength under those conditions.

As noted in the book PRINCIPLES OF NAVAL ARCHITECTURE AND WARSHIP CONSTRUCTION (p. 154), "Ships having heavy weights near the ends, such as battleships, have a tendency to hogging; light torpedo craft having heavy machinery installations have a tendency to sagging."

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Re: Unknown IJN DD Missing bow

Post by fontessa » 07 Jul 2023 00:42

cstunts wrote:
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Fontessa-san,

Beautiful work, as always. Wonderful pics.

For your English vocabulary: not BOGGING, but HOGGING. These terms refer to the movement of the hull & its strength under those conditions.

As noted in the book PRINCIPLES OF NAVAL ARCHITECTURE AND WARSHIP CONSTRUCTION (p. 154), "Ships having heavy weights near the ends, such as battleships, have a tendency to hogging; light torpedo craft having heavy machinery installations have a tendency to sagging."

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Oh, thanks for the correction of my mistake.

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Re: Unknown IJN DD Missing bow

Post by fontessa » 09 Jul 2023 01:16

Collision during the 1934 Night Exercise
During the Night Exercise in 1934, Inazuma and Miyuki clashed. Collisions were more likely to occur during nighttime exercises because ships moved without lights. Miyuki sank due to inadequate damage control, and Inazuma, which lost her bow, was towed by Naka to Sasebo.

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Re: Unknown IJN DD Missing bow

Post by ijnfleetadmiral » 09 Jul 2023 02:58

MIYUKI's command staff at the time of her loss:

Commanding Officer: CDR OFUJI Masanao 大藤正直 (39)
Torpedo Officer: LT KUROSE Atsushi 黒瀬淳 (50)
Gunnery Officer: LT ITAGAKI Kanenobu 板垣金信 (51)
Navigator: LT ASHIDA Buichi 芦田部一 (50)
Chief Engineer: LT (Eng.) KUNISUE Tatsushi 国末辰志 (Eng. 31)

ASHIDA was KIA on 02 November 1943 while CO of HATSUKAZE and posthumously promoted CAPT. All the others survived the war and eventually attained the rank of CAPT.

INAZUMA's command staff at the time of the collision:

Commanding Officer: CDR HIRATSUKA Shiro 平塚四郎 (40)
Torpedo Officer: LT MIURA Susumu 三浦晋 (50)
Gunnery Officer: LT SASAGAWA Tohira 笹川涛平 (52)
Navigator: VACANT
Chief Engineer: LT (Eng.) NORO Tetsumaru 野呂鉄丸 (Eng. 29)

MIURA died 25 November 1937 from unknown causes and was posthumously promoted CDR. All the others survived the war and eventually attained the rank of CAPT.
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Re: Unknown IJN DD Missing bow

Post by fontessa » 20 Jul 2023 21:59

On 29 November 1942, DD Shiratsuyu was severely damaged by B-17s air raid during the "Buna Transportation Operation". She made her way back to Rabaul under her own power, after the emergent repair there, she was repaired by Repair Ship Akashi at Truk Atoll. She left there on 16 February 1943, via Saipan, and arrived at Sasebo on 2 March. The photos below show Shiratsuyu combined with her repaired bow at Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Nagasaki Shipyard between March and July.

Shirayuki cleaned up her front in preparation for docking with her repaired bow.
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Concerned person waiting in preparation for joining the repaired bow.
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Her repaired bow.
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Bring the repaired bow closer to the main body.
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Re: Unknown IJN DD Missing bow

Post by ShindenKai » 21 Jul 2023 00:22

fontessa wrote:
20 Jul 2023 21:59
On 29 November 1942, DD Shiratsuyu was severely damaged by B-17s air raid during the "Buna Transportation Operation". She made her way back to Rabaul under her own power, after the emergent repair there, she was repaired by Repair Ship Akashi at Truk Atoll. She left there on 16 February 1943, via Saipan, and arrived at Sasebo on 2 March. The photos below show Shiratsuyu combined with her repaired bow at Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Nagasaki Shipyard between March and July.
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That's an excellent set of photos, thank you very much for posting them Fontessa.

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Re: Unknown IJN DD Missing bow

Post by fontessa » 23 Jul 2023 02:03

Double Collision
It occurred on 23 June 1941. After the 16th Combined Fleet Applied Training in Hyuga Nada that day. At first, DD Minegumo hit DD Natsugumo's starboard center. The first phot shows her bow. Then DD Kuroshio hit the stern of the Minegumo, which was slowed by the first collision. The damage to Minegumo from this rear-end collision was enormous, as shown in the second photo. The third photo shows the bow of Kuroshio. The first and the second photos were taken at Kure Naval Yard on 24 June 1941. And the third photo was taken there on 25 June 1941.

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