IJN ADMIRAL YAMAMO'S ASSASSINATION BY US AIRSOLS P-38S

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IJN ADMIRAL YAMAMO'S ASSASSINATION BY US AIRSOLS P-38S

Post by AginAf » 02 Aug 2023 22:17

SOME THOUGHTS.

IN MODERN TIMES, SUCH AN ACTION WOULD HAVE REQUIRED A WRITTEN PRESIDENTIAL FINDING. BUT IN WWII IN 1943, AFTER RECEIVING THE ULTRA BREAK OF IJN CODE JN-25C THAT GAVE THE U.S. YAMAMOTOS FULL INSPECTION AIR TRAVEL ITINERARY FOR APRIL, ROOSEVELT MAY HAVE INSTRUCTED THE U.S. SECRETARY OF THE NAVY KNOX VERBAL INSTRUCTIONS TO DIRECT HALSEY TO TAKE HIM OUT. BUT WE WILL NEVER KNOW, BECAUSE FDR WAS CAREFUL
NOT TO PUT THE ORDER IN WRITING. IN ANY EVENT, KNOX MESSAGED HALSEY THAT IT WAS HIS CALL. AFTER CONFERRING WITH SUBORDINATE AIR COMMANDERS USMC GEN GIEGER AND ADM MITSHER, AND EVEN THE ARMY P-38 GROUP COMMANDER IN MITSHER'S JOINT COMMAND, HALSEY DECIDED TO ORDER THE HIT.

THE QUESTION IS, WAS THAT A SMART MOVE, LONG TERM?

AFTER THE DISASTROUS MIDWAY LOSS, A DISTROUGHT AND PHYSICALLY ILL YAMAMOTO LOST THE LUSTER AND RESPECT HE HAD HAD PREVIOUSLY, NOT ONLY FROM THE NAVY HIERARCHY, BUT FROM THE EMPEROR , THE ARMY AND EVEN THE ENTIRE NATION.. HE HAD HOPED FOR A YEAR OF BEING ABLE TO TAKE HIS NAVY AND RUN AMUCK OVER THE ALLIES, PARTICULARLY WITH KUDO BUTAI, AND ALL AGREED TO GIVE HIM THAT CHANCE. BUT MIDWAY HAD COST HIM MUCH OF HIS STRIKING POWER, AND THE SOLOMONS CAMPAIGN WAS TURNING OUT TO BE WHAT IT BECAME, THE ULTIMATE TURNING POINT IN THE WAR.

AS A RESULT, YAMAMOTO BECAME DISTANTLY REMOVED FROM DAILY OPERATIONS, LEAVING MUCH OF THE CONDUCT OF REGIONAL OPERATIONS IN THE SOLOMONS UP TO HIS STAFF, LED BY HIS CHIEF OF STAFF, ADM UGAKI. HE STAYED IN HIS CABIN ON THE YAMATO, PLAYED SHOJI, WROTE POETRY AND LETTERS, AND OFTEN STATED THAT HE THOUGHT HE WOULD BE KILLED IN COMBAT BEFORE THE WAR, MAKING APPEARANCES ONLY OCCASIONALLY, OF WHICH THE INSPECTION TRIP WAS TO BE ONE. IN ESSENCE, THE NATIONAL STRATEGIC DIRECTION OF JAPAN'S WAR REVERTED BACK TO THE BICKERING NAVAL AND ARMY HEADQUARTERS IN TOKYO, INCREASINGLY MORE CLOSELY OVERSEEN BY THE EMPEROR.

IF AN ALWAYS ANTI WAR AGAINST THE US PROPONENT, YAMAMOTO MIGHT HAVE RETIRED AND TURNED TO POLITICS IF ALLOWED TO LIVE - AN IMPORTANT COUNTER TO THE NATIONAL SUICIDE POLICIES RECOMMENDED TO THE EMPEROR IN LATE WWII.

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Re: IJN ADMIRAL YAMAMO'S ASSASSINATION BY US AIRSOLS P-38S

Post by LineDoggie » 03 Aug 2023 01:09

Some thoughts

it was not an assassination.

Assassination implies illegal act

"enemy combatants are legitimate targets at all times, regardless of their duties or activities at the time of their attack. Such attacks do not constitute assassination unless carried out in a 'treacherous' manner, as prohibited by article 23(b) of the Annex to the Hague Regulations (Hague Convention IV) of 1907."

Yamamoto was not a Political leader of Imperial Japan

Yamamoto was an enemy commander, IN Uniform, riding In an Enemy aircraft

Admirals and Generals are killed surprisingly often in WW1 and WW2

The British tried to Kill Rommel in Operation Flipper & Later Operation Gaff, no one cried it was an assassination attempt


Guy O. Fort an American commanding the Philippine Army 81st division was a Brigadier General who was executed by the Japanese while a POW on orders of Lt. Colonel Yoshinari Tanaka, THAT was a Criminal Act

Allan McBride BG was deliberately starved to death as a Japanese POW on Formosa
That was a Criminal Act
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Re: IJN ADMIRAL YAMAMO'S ASSASSINATION BY US AIRSOLS P-38S

Post by OpanaPointer » 03 Aug 2023 02:39

OP, posting in all caps is considered shouting. Just sayin'.
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Re: IJN ADMIRAL YAMAMO'S ASSASSINATION BY US AIRSOLS P-38S

Post by AginAf » 03 Aug 2023 03:14

1. SORRY ABOUT CAPS FOLKS. I HAVE AN OLD GUY EYE CONDITION THAT REQUIRES ME TO USE CAPS ON THE COMPUTER.

2. THE RESPONDER WHO WROTE CONCERNING FINDINGS IS CORRECT - BUT ONLY IN THE CONTEXT OF THE VERBIAGE OF REQUIRED ROE FOR A NON USE OF A FINDING IN THE 21ST CENTURY.. NO SUCH DOCUMEMT OR REGULATION OR LAW EXISTED IN 1943.

3. WHAT FDR WAS PROTECTING HIMSELF FROM WAS A PUBLIC SENSE OF AMERICA'S LOSS OF THE HIGH GROUND OF MORALITY ON THE PART OF OUR WWII ALLIES, WITH THE BLAME FALLING ON FDR. IF PRESSED BY OUR ALLIES, HE COULD ALWAYS THROW KNOX, NIMITZ, HALSEY ET AL UNDER THE BUS AS SCAPE GOATS BLAMED FOR PROCEEDING WITHOUT ORDERS. HE HAD SACRIFICED THE 1941 COMMANDERS AT PEARL HARBOR FOR NOT FOLLOWING ORDERS TO BE VILIGENT SO AS TO PROTECT HIMSELF, SO WHY NOT THE YAMAMOTO ASSASSINS IF THAT ACT WENT PUBLICALLY SOUR IN OUR ALLIES' OR AMERICA'S PUBLIC OPINION IN THE AFTERMATH OF THE YAMAMOTO AFFAIR. FORTUNATELY FOR ALL CONCERNED , THE EVENT RESULT WAS A POPULAR ONE ALL ROUND

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Re: IJN ADMIRAL YAMAMO'S ASSASSINATION BY US AIRSOLS P-38S

Post by Vicious » 15 Dec 2023 07:28

Admiral Yamamoto was not "assassinated". He was ambushed.

A declared war, an enemy in uniform, flying in a military aircraft, able to defend himself...

The crime would have been not shooting him down if given the opportunity as they were.

It is always good strategy to take out leadership which is why infantry officers take off their insignia when going into combat.

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Re: IJN ADMIRAL YAMAMO'S ASSASSINATION BY US AIRSOLS P-38S

Post by daveshoup2MarDiv » 06 Jan 2024 05:22

Who is ADMIRAL YAMAMO? ;)

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