IJN YAMATO Torpedo Belt

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IJN YAMATO Torpedo Belt

Post by BayonetOnAZero » 18 Oct 2023 18:35

So there was a proposal to add a 5,100 ton steel plate to reinforce the YAMATO’s torpedo belt. It was rejected as it would’ve added more drag and therefore make her slower. How thick would the plate have been? And would this have possibly increased her survivability and even have seen her turned into a museum ship?
On 16 January Yamato arrived at Kure for repairs of the torpedo damage and was dry-docked until 3 February.[22] During this time, armor plate sloped at 45° was fitted in the area of damage to her hull. It had been proposed that 5,000 long tons (5,100 t) of steel be used to bolster the ship's defense against flooding from torpedo hits outside the armored citadel, but this was rejected out of hand because the additional weight would have increased Yamato's displacement and draft too much.
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Re: IJN YAMATO Torpedo Belt

Post by ijnfleetadmiral » 19 Oct 2023 02:57

YAMATO would never have been allowed to see Japan surrender. She was named for the country itself, and to see her turned over to the Allies would have been the ultimate insult. And she definitely wouldn't have been saved as a museum ship...she more than likely would've been anchored near NAGATO at the Bikini tests and we would have a lot more up-close-and-personal photos of her given how much NAGATO was photographed after the surrender.
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Re: IJN YAMATO Torpedo Belt

Post by BayonetOnAZero » 19 Oct 2023 19:12

ijnfleetadmiral wrote:
19 Oct 2023 02:57
YAMATO would never have been allowed to see Japan surrender. She was named for the country itself, and to see her turned over to the Allies would have been the ultimate insult. And she definitely wouldn't have been saved as a museum ship...she more than likely would've been anchored near NAGATO at the Bikini tests and we would have a lot more up-close-and-personal photos of her given how much NAGATO was photographed after the surrender.
So if anything, she’d be a tourist attraction like the NAGATO?
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Re: IJN YAMATO Torpedo Belt

Post by ijnfleetadmiral » 19 Oct 2023 22:33

BayonetOnAZero wrote:
19 Oct 2023 19:12
So if anything, she’d be a tourist attraction like the NAGATO?
No, she'd be a nuclear target like NAGATO.
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Re: IJN YAMATO Torpedo Belt

Post by BayonetOnAZero » 20 Oct 2023 18:24

ijnfleetadmiral wrote:
19 Oct 2023 22:33
BayonetOnAZero wrote:
19 Oct 2023 19:12
So if anything, she’d be a tourist attraction like the NAGATO?
No, she'd be a nuclear target like NAGATO.
Yeah but the NAGATO is one of the most popular diving sites in the world. So if anything, maybe the YAMATO would too.
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Re: IJN YAMATO Torpedo Belt

Post by ShindenKai » 06 Nov 2023 01:39

BayonetOnAZero wrote:
20 Oct 2023 18:24
ijnfleetadmiral wrote:
19 Oct 2023 22:33
BayonetOnAZero wrote:
19 Oct 2023 19:12
So if anything, she’d be a tourist attraction like the NAGATO?
No, she'd be a nuclear target like NAGATO.
Yeah but the NAGATO is one of the most popular diving sites in the world. So if anything, maybe the YAMATO would too.
No maybe's about it. The Yamato would absolutely be the most popular dive site in the world.

No, the extra armor belt wouldn't have stopped it from being sunk. We, the USA, would've just kept hitting it with torps & bombs until it was sunk.

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Re: IJN YAMATO Torpedo Belt

Post by BayonetOnAZero » 06 Nov 2023 18:23

ShindenKai wrote:
06 Nov 2023 01:39
BayonetOnAZero wrote:
20 Oct 2023 18:24
ijnfleetadmiral wrote:
19 Oct 2023 22:33
BayonetOnAZero wrote:
19 Oct 2023 19:12
So if anything, she’d be a tourist attraction like the NAGATO?
No, she'd be a nuclear target like NAGATO.
Yeah but the NAGATO is one of the most popular diving sites in the world. So if anything, maybe the YAMATO would too.
No maybe's about it. The Yamato would absolutely be the most popular dive site in the world.

No, the extra armor belt wouldn't have stopped it from being sunk. We, the USA, would've just kept hitting it with torps & bombs until it was sunk.
That’s true. Under what circumstances would the YAMATO have survived World War II if Japan was still part of the Axis?
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Re: IJN YAMATO Torpedo Belt

Post by ijnfleetadmiral » 08 Nov 2023 21:20

BayonetOnAZero wrote:
06 Nov 2023 18:23
Under what circumstances would the YAMATO have survived World War II if Japan was still part of the Axis?
She wouldn't have been allowed to survive under ANY circumstances. She was named for Japan itself, and the Imperial General Staff flat out stated it was better for the ship to be sunk with all hands than to ever surrender. Ten-Go was knowingly a suicide mission to allow her to die in battle...the whole 'ground her on Okinawa and her artillery will help stave off the invasion' thing was just bombast by the Naval General Staff; they knew she had no chance of success, as did Second Fleet CinC VADM Ito and all of the senior officers involved.
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Re: IJN YAMATO Torpedo Belt

Post by BayonetOnAZero » 08 Nov 2023 22:38

ijnfleetadmiral wrote:
08 Nov 2023 21:20
BayonetOnAZero wrote:
06 Nov 2023 18:23
Under what circumstances would the YAMATO have survived World War II if Japan was still part of the Axis?
She wouldn't have been allowed to survive under ANY circumstances. She was named for Japan itself, and the Imperial General Staff flat out stated it was better for the ship to be sunk with all hands than to ever surrender. Ten-Go was knowingly a suicide mission to allow her to die in battle...the whole 'ground her on Okinawa and her artillery will help stave off the invasion' thing was just bombast by the Naval General Staff; they knew she had no chance of success, as did Second Fleet CinC VADM Ito and all of the senior officers involved.
So she was doomed either way? Do you think it would’ve definitely been a different story if Japan joined the Allies?
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Re: IJN YAMATO Torpedo Belt

Post by ijnfleetadmiral » 09 Nov 2023 01:46

BayonetOnAZero wrote:
08 Nov 2023 22:38
So she was doomed either way? Do you think it would’ve definitely been a different story if Japan joined the Allies?
Had Japan joined the Allies we would have epic photos of YAMATO and IOWA operating together and stories of their crews sharing friendly rivalries in gunnery competitions. :lol:
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Re: IJN YAMATO Torpedo Belt

Post by BayonetOnAZero » 09 Nov 2023 19:31

ijnfleetadmiral wrote:
09 Nov 2023 01:46
BayonetOnAZero wrote:
08 Nov 2023 22:38
So she was doomed either way? Do you think it would’ve definitely been a different story if Japan joined the Allies?
Had Japan joined the Allies we would have epic photos of YAMATO and IOWA operating together and stories of their crews sharing friendly rivalries in gunnery competitions. :lol:
Now that would be epic. Perhaps we’d even see this rendition of YAMATO:
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It’s from a video game and supposed to be a rendition of a heavily modernization of the YAMATO during the late stages of the Cold War.
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Re: IJN YAMATO Torpedo Belt

Post by ijnfleetadmiral » 09 Nov 2023 20:41

BayonetOnAZero wrote:
09 Nov 2023 19:31
Now that would be epic.
Epic indeed.
BayonetOnAZero wrote:
09 Nov 2023 19:31
Perhaps we’d even see this rendition of YAMATO
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Re: IJN YAMATO Torpedo Belt

Post by BayonetOnAZero » 10 Nov 2023 03:37

ijnfleetadmiral wrote:
09 Nov 2023 20:41
BayonetOnAZero wrote:
09 Nov 2023 19:31
Now that would be epic.
Epic indeed.
BayonetOnAZero wrote:
09 Nov 2023 19:31
Perhaps we’d even see this rendition of YAMATO
NICE!
Honestly, it’s a bit too modernized, but a modernized and possible rendition of the YAMATO nonetheless.
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