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1, Orient Cinema
2, Chistchakov Tea Store
3, CER club
4, "Asia" Cinema
5, "Lobatoc" tobacco company
*** I tried some 15 to 16 times to add the third photo but failed every time. It also happened when I post the first two pictures. I don't know why. I have other 6 scanned pictures and wanna try later.
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1, christening on ice
2, baptistery on ice
3, fire department in the 1900s
4, fire department in the 1920s
5, ambulance in the 1900s
6, ambulance in the 1920s
1, christening on ice
2, baptistery on ice
3, fire department in the 1900s
4, fire department in the 1920s
5, ambulance in the 1900s
6, ambulance in the 1920s
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1, string quartet of Harbin symphony orchestra
2, Harbin summer music festival
3, beauty contest of white Russian
4, Alexander Glazunov Music School
5, present award to the beauty queen
1, string quartet of Harbin symphony orchestra
2, Harbin summer music festival
3, beauty contest of white Russian
4, Alexander Glazunov Music School
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Dear Balrog
Sorry to leave out the juicy gossip and SEX stuff, but this may help to cool your passions...
Emperor Pu Yi had a Japanese millitary attache Gen Yohshioka Yasunori.
The Manchukuo navy or China Area Fleet was commanded by Japan's Vice Admiral Fukada Ryozo. During WW2 Manchukuo was basically a training area for the Japanese Army Air Force basing the 2nd and 12th Air brigades. The 64th Sentai provided fighter protection with Ki-27 (fixed spatted wheels) and later using Hayabusa Ki-43 aircraft.
A company in Harbin called Mansyu Hikoki Seizo K.K. manufactured aircraft engines copied from German engines samples of which were flown by Junkers Ju-290 from German territories. The company also manufactured trainers such as the Ki-79 and various other types under licence. Most notable was the Nakajima Ki-44 Shoki. A single seat hot rod a bit like the later models of Republican Thunderbolts.
Harbin airport was home to a Bf-109E and a Focke Wulf 200 Kondor in Japanese markings. The Ju-290 aircraft flying from Germany belonged to FAGr.5 but from Spring 1944 were converted to hold 23,800 litres of fuel when Odessa became unavailable for departures to Harbin. Taken over by KG200 three of these Ju-290 continued flights from Meilec in Poland. When the Red Army prevented flights from Poland the Japanese declined flights from Norway as they did not want aircraft overflying the Soviet union to provoke a war with Russia. Flights left with aircraft engines and returned with rubber and rare metals.
Unit 731 was situated northeast of Harbin at "Pingfan". It was established in november 1933. The Emperor's cousin Prince Takeda was a part of Unit 731 from August 1943 masquerading as Lt Col Miyata. the Emperor's brother Prince Mikasa is also known to have visited Unit 731 during the war.
I have read that the Japanese mistrusted Harbin's Russian community as half were white Russians and the remainder Red Russians, but the Japanese could never figure out who was whom. Also Harbin was the confluence of three railroad companies at the San e'kong station and a natural haven for spies much as Switzerland was in the Cold War. In 1935 five Soviet spies were captured spreading biological warfare agents inside Manchukuo.
From May to September 1939 the Kwantung army in defiance of the Japanese Government after years of border skirmishes with Russia flung themselves into a major conflict called the nomohan incident or battle of Kakhalin-Gol. The Kwantung Army were decisively beaten by General Zuhkov's tanks in a foretaste of Germany's war on the Russian front. Only the intervention of Unit 731 prevented a worse humiliation. This experience of Russian tank warfare made japan shy of warfare with the Russians for the rest of WW2. It also permitted Zuhkov to reinforce Moscow or was it Stalingrad ?
Bet that cooled your ardour ?
Sorry to leave out the juicy gossip and SEX stuff, but this may help to cool your passions...
Emperor Pu Yi had a Japanese millitary attache Gen Yohshioka Yasunori.
The Manchukuo navy or China Area Fleet was commanded by Japan's Vice Admiral Fukada Ryozo. During WW2 Manchukuo was basically a training area for the Japanese Army Air Force basing the 2nd and 12th Air brigades. The 64th Sentai provided fighter protection with Ki-27 (fixed spatted wheels) and later using Hayabusa Ki-43 aircraft.
A company in Harbin called Mansyu Hikoki Seizo K.K. manufactured aircraft engines copied from German engines samples of which were flown by Junkers Ju-290 from German territories. The company also manufactured trainers such as the Ki-79 and various other types under licence. Most notable was the Nakajima Ki-44 Shoki. A single seat hot rod a bit like the later models of Republican Thunderbolts.
Harbin airport was home to a Bf-109E and a Focke Wulf 200 Kondor in Japanese markings. The Ju-290 aircraft flying from Germany belonged to FAGr.5 but from Spring 1944 were converted to hold 23,800 litres of fuel when Odessa became unavailable for departures to Harbin. Taken over by KG200 three of these Ju-290 continued flights from Meilec in Poland. When the Red Army prevented flights from Poland the Japanese declined flights from Norway as they did not want aircraft overflying the Soviet union to provoke a war with Russia. Flights left with aircraft engines and returned with rubber and rare metals.
Unit 731 was situated northeast of Harbin at "Pingfan". It was established in november 1933. The Emperor's cousin Prince Takeda was a part of Unit 731 from August 1943 masquerading as Lt Col Miyata. the Emperor's brother Prince Mikasa is also known to have visited Unit 731 during the war.
I have read that the Japanese mistrusted Harbin's Russian community as half were white Russians and the remainder Red Russians, but the Japanese could never figure out who was whom. Also Harbin was the confluence of three railroad companies at the San e'kong station and a natural haven for spies much as Switzerland was in the Cold War. In 1935 five Soviet spies were captured spreading biological warfare agents inside Manchukuo.
From May to September 1939 the Kwantung army in defiance of the Japanese Government after years of border skirmishes with Russia flung themselves into a major conflict called the nomohan incident or battle of Kakhalin-Gol. The Kwantung Army were decisively beaten by General Zuhkov's tanks in a foretaste of Germany's war on the Russian front. Only the intervention of Unit 731 prevented a worse humiliation. This experience of Russian tank warfare made japan shy of warfare with the Russians for the rest of WW2. It also permitted Zuhkov to reinforce Moscow or was it Stalingrad ?
Bet that cooled your ardour ?
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The flight of the Ju 290 is only a myth (see this old thread: Junkers Ju 290 to Manchuria 1944).Simon Gunson wrote:A company in Harbin called Mansyu Hikoki Seizo K.K. manufactured aircraft engines copied from German engines samples of which were flown by Junkers Ju-290 from German territories.
He was director of the Operation Department of Kwantung Army. All outlay of Unit 731 need his approve. He was also an advocator of biological warfare, and visited Unit 731 several times.Balrog wrote:what exactly was the emperor's brother's(prince takeda) job at unit 731? was he participating in carrying out experiments himself?
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Replying DrG...
My source for the Ju-290 claims was a library book I read about KG200 operations. I do not have the book infront of me but I did take contemporary notes as I read the book.
Looking back at those notes the three aircraft which were converted with extra fuel tanks in Spring 1944 at Finsterwalde were constructor numbers #10182, #10183 and #10184. The aircraft were re-termed Ju-290-A9 variants.
The notes that I took only referred to I/KG200 under Major Gartenfeldt and Hauptman Braun flying these routes. Hpt Braun's co-pilot was Lt Pohl. They were based at Vienna's Neustadt airport and Prague's Rusyne airport under the codename CARMEN. Actually the book also mentions long range missions over Russia from Roumania.
Unfortunately because KG200 took over all Ju-290 aircraft from 4th April 1944 and because these three converted aircraft came from FAG.5, I made an assumption that FAG.5 aircraft operated flights to Manchukuo.
This was the only way that I could reconcile flights from Odessa which must have fallen in 1943 after Stallingrad ?
It was wrong of me to introduce my own speculation and confuse the topic. I still believe these flights occured because I have read accounts of I/KG200 crews who corroborate this "myth".
After returning to my original notes I see that I also noted FAG.5 aircraft were employed for long range patrol in the Atlantic with serials like KR+LQ and KR+LR. Incidentally Ju-390 V2 aircraft had the serial RC+DA which implies it was not flown by FAG.5 at least at one point in it's life.
One of the grounds upon which the string you referred me to dismissed Ju-290 flights to Manchukuo upon was the dismissal of Ju-390 V2 flights by FAG.5 to new York. As Ju-390 V2 did not wear FAG.5 serials that may not have been sound enough grounds to dismiss New york flights either.
Other units also flew Ju-290 prior to 4 April 1944 were Luft Transport Staffel 5 and Luft Transport Staffel 290. Hauptman Braun of LTS-290 apparently later flew Manchukuo missions for I/KG200 so is it possible that flights from Odessa were flown by LTS-290 before April 1944 ?
Former FAG.5 Ju-290 aircraft in KG200 service bore the serials 9V+AH to 9V+FH. The Fuhrer's Kurrierstaffel which is known to have flown special missions to Japan with an Me-110 aircraft also operated Ju-290 aircraft and the Me-264 which was supposed to fly Hitler into exile in Japan.
J-290 aircraft also wore other serial starting with SB+QA to QG, but I can't identify that unit. Some also wore serials starting "PJ+" and "CE+". The serial starting "J4+" was allocated to former LTS.5 aircraft with I/KG200.
Sorry but I don't accept that the thread which you referred me to and which I was unaware of conclusively disposes of these flights.
Replying to Balrog ...
My source is the Book "Unit 731" by Peter Williams and David Wallace published 1989 by Hodder & Stoughton ISBN 0-340-39463-3, Dewy catalogue number 355.0217
The book has an aerial view of Unit 731's complex at Pingfan which I will upload on my scanner if someone tells me how to drive my new computer... help
It also has lots of extra stuff about Manchukuo. A lot of local inhabitants both Chineese and Russians were used as guinea pigs for biological warfare experiments in addition to American, British and Commonwealth POWs.
My source for the Ju-290 claims was a library book I read about KG200 operations. I do not have the book infront of me but I did take contemporary notes as I read the book.
Looking back at those notes the three aircraft which were converted with extra fuel tanks in Spring 1944 at Finsterwalde were constructor numbers #10182, #10183 and #10184. The aircraft were re-termed Ju-290-A9 variants.
The notes that I took only referred to I/KG200 under Major Gartenfeldt and Hauptman Braun flying these routes. Hpt Braun's co-pilot was Lt Pohl. They were based at Vienna's Neustadt airport and Prague's Rusyne airport under the codename CARMEN. Actually the book also mentions long range missions over Russia from Roumania.
Unfortunately because KG200 took over all Ju-290 aircraft from 4th April 1944 and because these three converted aircraft came from FAG.5, I made an assumption that FAG.5 aircraft operated flights to Manchukuo.
This was the only way that I could reconcile flights from Odessa which must have fallen in 1943 after Stallingrad ?
It was wrong of me to introduce my own speculation and confuse the topic. I still believe these flights occured because I have read accounts of I/KG200 crews who corroborate this "myth".
After returning to my original notes I see that I also noted FAG.5 aircraft were employed for long range patrol in the Atlantic with serials like KR+LQ and KR+LR. Incidentally Ju-390 V2 aircraft had the serial RC+DA which implies it was not flown by FAG.5 at least at one point in it's life.
One of the grounds upon which the string you referred me to dismissed Ju-290 flights to Manchukuo upon was the dismissal of Ju-390 V2 flights by FAG.5 to new York. As Ju-390 V2 did not wear FAG.5 serials that may not have been sound enough grounds to dismiss New york flights either.
Other units also flew Ju-290 prior to 4 April 1944 were Luft Transport Staffel 5 and Luft Transport Staffel 290. Hauptman Braun of LTS-290 apparently later flew Manchukuo missions for I/KG200 so is it possible that flights from Odessa were flown by LTS-290 before April 1944 ?
Former FAG.5 Ju-290 aircraft in KG200 service bore the serials 9V+AH to 9V+FH. The Fuhrer's Kurrierstaffel which is known to have flown special missions to Japan with an Me-110 aircraft also operated Ju-290 aircraft and the Me-264 which was supposed to fly Hitler into exile in Japan.
J-290 aircraft also wore other serial starting with SB+QA to QG, but I can't identify that unit. Some also wore serials starting "PJ+" and "CE+". The serial starting "J4+" was allocated to former LTS.5 aircraft with I/KG200.
Sorry but I don't accept that the thread which you referred me to and which I was unaware of conclusively disposes of these flights.
Replying to Balrog ...
My source is the Book "Unit 731" by Peter Williams and David Wallace published 1989 by Hodder & Stoughton ISBN 0-340-39463-3, Dewy catalogue number 355.0217
The book has an aerial view of Unit 731's complex at Pingfan which I will upload on my scanner if someone tells me how to drive my new computer... help
It also has lots of extra stuff about Manchukuo. A lot of local inhabitants both Chineese and Russians were used as guinea pigs for biological warfare experiments in addition to American, British and Commonwealth POWs.
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Simon, I agree with your idea of posting your info also in that old thread, thus I'll reply to you there. 