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Post by Windward » 26 Aug 2003 17:23

joel pacheco wrote:i read that the emperor's brother was alive just a few years ago? is he still alive? he married a japanese noble woman and had a daughter. i think there was some kind of romeo/juliet style scandal involving the daughter in japan in the late 1950's. was he captured along with his brother at the end of the war? or did he escape to japan?


Here's a discussion about Pu Jie,

Koreans & Taiwaneses in the Imperial Army

http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=19704

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Post by Balrog » 26 Aug 2003 17:23

great photo! is the decoration around the emperor's neck a manchukuo order or a japanese one? does anyone know what medals and decorations the emperor was awarded? (i refer to the early photo of the emperor pu yi)

i read that a big problem for the puppet state was international recognition. the world viewed it as nothing but a puppet state,which in reality, it was. it tried unsuccessfully to be accepted into the league of nations for many years. how many countries outside of japan had diplomatic relations with the empire of manchukuo?

i have actually read 2 pieces of [propaganda created by the japanese government, printed in many languages and donated to libraries and book clubs around the world to try to gain recognition fromnot only the league of nations,but western governments. one is a book of photographs. execellent quality, showing not only happy chinese, but a complete absence of the japanese. it also emphazied the white russian population of manchukuo in the 1930's. the second book was a journey into the empire written by a british writer that made great pains to explain that he rarely met/saw any japanese and that no one in the emperor's inner circle even spoke japanese. both books were created to show an image of an independent manchukou empire, not a puppet state. both are highly amusing and worth reading.
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Post by David Thompson » 26 Aug 2003 17:24

Windward -- Thanks for the correction re the photo of Pu Jie. The info and the pictures came from "China 1890-1938: From the Warlords to World War," p. 214.

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Post by sylvieK4 » 26 Aug 2003 17:30

Here's a site featuring photos and information about some of the orders of Manchukuo (some on the same page pre-date Manchukuo, but there are a few from 1930s-40s State.)

http://www.4dw.net/royalark/China/orders.htm

Supreme Order of the Orchid Blossoms:
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Post by Balrog » 26 Aug 2003 17:47

fantastic sylvie! i have had no luck tracking down the orders and decorations. thank you! it looks like the order on his neck might have been a manchukuo order.

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Post by Windward » 26 Aug 2003 17:48

joel pacheco wrote:how many countries outside of japan had diplomatic relations with the empire of manchukuo?


Germany, Italy, Soviet Union, Denmark, El Salvado, Vatican, Slovakia(?), Siam, Nankin China(another puppet state), etc.

is the decoration around the emperor's neck a manchukuo order or a japanese one? does anyone know what medals and decorations the emperor was awarded?


It's the Manchurian Insignia of Royal Orchid (Lan Hua Zhang) , a decoration (not an order exactly) that only the emperor could wear it. The two large order behind it were Lan Hua Da Shou (an associated medal of the Insignia of Royal Orchid), and Long Guang Zhang (Insignia of Dragon's Brightness) . The other two lower big medals on his left chest were Japanese Order of Asahi and Order of Zuihou.

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Post by Balrog » 26 Aug 2003 17:50

i would be really grateful if anyone could tell me which nations had diplomatic relations with the empire of manchukuo. thank you. NEVERMIND WINDWARD ANSWERED MY QUESTION WHILE I WAS WRITING THIS POST!

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Post by Balrog » 26 Aug 2003 17:54

windward, great information! thank you. do you know anything about the manchukuo army? did it fight effectively? who were its top generals? any photos of the army?

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Post by Windward » 26 Aug 2003 18:05

Hi Joel never mind if you have any more question about China or Manchuria. Above all we come here for the same hobby about history and sharing our information and knowledge here. Discere Docendo, right? :)

Here's a Manchurian post. The Chinese word in the right is "With the cooperation of soldiers and civilian", and the word in the left is "(So we could build) Manchurian Paradise nowadays".
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Post by Balrog » 26 Aug 2003 18:14

when i read that propaganda books published by the japanese, the photography book showed lots of pictures of white russians in manchukuo. do you know how many white russians were in the puppet state?

ian fleming, the man who would later go on to write the james bond novels was a travelling through japanese occupied china in the mid 1930's with an english women. while on a train a group of japanese officers mistaked her for a white russian, insulted her and started to beat her mercilessly. ian fleming dragged them off an explained that the women was english, not russian. the japanese officers apologized profusely, attempting to make amends in any way they could. ian fleming's conclusion; white russians, citizens without a country, no embassy or government to protect them from anything. at the mercy of everyone.

did white russians enjoy good relations with the chinese? did any ever recieve any passports from the puppet state?

did any white russians serve in the manchukuo army as mercenaries? i know many white russians were active as mecenaries in the chinese warlord period.

do you have any photos o white russians in china?

do you have any photos of manchukuo? the palace? the capitol city of the manchukuo empire?

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Post by Windward » 26 Aug 2003 18:27

joel pacheco wrote:windward, great information! thank you. do you know anything about the manchukuo army? did it fight effectively? who were its top generals? any photos of the army?


Some Manchurian army fought near the Chinese border in 1937. At least one Manchurian division (Hsing An Mongol Division) took part in the battle of Khalkhin River. The highest officer of Manchurian Army was generalissimo Pu Yi, and other high ranks were General, lieutenant general and major general. Minister of Military was the chief of staff de jure (Japanese Kantougun and its commander was the ruler of Manchurian military forces de facto), and there were many ministers. Give me some time to find more info about them.

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Post by Windward » 27 Aug 2003 04:57

Manchurian Navy was formally called as "Jiang Shang Jun" (Army on River, or river flotilla). Its ships mostly served on the Amur River and Ussuri River. The river flotilla was formed on May 28 1932, three months after Manchuria puppet state established. It received five gunboats from former Chinese Northeast river flotilla. After 1934, the flotilla received some new gunboats from Japan, and the old boats were striked down in the 1940s. In the Bohai Sea, 6 sea planes, two old patrol boats, 12 junks and 3 other ships formed the Manchurian coast guard. But the Bohai Sea and Manchurian south coast was controled by Imperial Japanese Navy actually. An old destroyer sent to Manchuria in 1937, but was took back in 1942. After the Pacific war broken, Japan lend Manchuria 7 small escort vessels, commanded by Japanese officers, some of them were took back, and the remained were captured by soviet army after 1945.

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Hai Wei, Japanese destroyer Kashi (Momo class), built in 1917, retired in 1937, given to Manchuria and re-classified as coastguard ship. 755 tons, 120mm gun*3, MG*2, TT*4, 31.5 knots (20 knots after donate for one boiler was removed). Four torpedo tubes and one 120mm gun were removed too, but one sea plane and two depth charge sets were added. Took back by IJN in 1942, renamed Kaii, bombed by US air attack and sunk near Okinawa in Oct 1944.

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Shun Tian, gunboat, complete 1934, 270 tons, 120mm gun*2, MG*3. Guns removed in 1945 to defence Anshan Steel works, and the boat was captured by Soviet army. Sister ship Yang Min.

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Hai Long(Dragon of Sea), Japanese built patrol vessel. 204 tons, 13 knots. One 76mm and one 50 mm gun, depth charge. Captured by soviet army in Port Arthur, serverd for Russian fishery guard till 1970s.

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Post by Windward » 27 Aug 2003 05:35

The capital city of Manchuria was Shin King (means "new capital", or spelled as "Xin Jing"). Its name is Chang Chun nowadays.

Here's a Japanese city plan for the Grand Metropolis of Shin King.

A: old Chinese commercial sector

B: Japanese commercial sector of SMR (South Manchurian Railways)

C: new downtown area


1, Imperial Palace
2, Headquarters of Kantougun (kwantung Army)
3, new Imperial Palace under construction, never complete
4, Shun Tian Plaza, about 14 hektares
5, Shun Tian Avenue
6, Shin King Station
7, Da Tong Avenue, 5 kilometers long and 64 meters in breadth
8, Da Tong Plaza
9, Guo Wu Yuan, or State Department. But not as the American State Department, it's not an office of diplomatism, but something alike council of ministers
10, Government offices
11, Nan Ling (southern hills) Complex, including largest zoo and arboretum in Asia, and a huge gymnastic complex.
12, South Manchurian Railway
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Post by Windward » 27 Aug 2003 05:49

Imperial Palace

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Tong De Dian (Hall of Tong De), the largest building in the palace

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Qin Min Lou, Pu Yi's formal office

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Ji Xi Lou, residence of Pu Yi and emperor Wan Rong

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Tong De Dian, south veiw, from the east garden

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West garden

The Imperial Palace is very small, for it was rebuilded from a railway transportation office. When Manchuria separated from China in 1931, there's only three main buildings in it. Japanese Kantougun built Tong De Dian in 1937, and the construction of new Imperial Palace (52 hektares) began in 1938, but was laid up in 1943, for lacking of materials and manpower. Only groundwork completed. In the 1950s, a new building was built on the site, with the original design (internal fitment was not so luxury), and used as schoolhouse of Changchun Geologic College.

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Post by Windward » 27 Aug 2003 05:50

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Guo Wu Yuan


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Headquaters of Kantougun


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Residence of Kantogun Commander


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High Court


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Ministry of Communication


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Ministry of Millitary


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Ministry of Justice


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Ministry of Foreign Affairs


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Ministry of Economy


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Ministry of Cunture and Education


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Ministry of Agriculture


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Ministry of People's Livelihood (sorry I can't translate its name correctly. it's a ministry of welfare and public utility)

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