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Post by DrG » 14 Jan 2005, 02:02

Ostfront Enthusiast wrote:Secondly, do you know if the puppet state of Wang Jingwei's Nanjing state had an official name?
In the atlas it's called "Governo Nazionale Cinese di Nanchino" = "Chinese National Government of Nanjing" (I see that this name, without specifying that it's "of Nanjing", is used also by Britannica: http://www.britannica.com/ebi/article?tocId=9339844).
Thirdly, if it isn't too much trouble, could you post a scan of your period atlas showing the middle east?
It wouldn't be a problem to post other maps, but I haven't a map of the whole Middle East, just of the various nations (whose borders are the same of today, except for some states of the Arabic peninsula: I think its map is the only interesting one, please tell me if you want to see it).

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Post by Ostfront Enthusiast » 14 Jan 2005, 02:48

Thankyou for your help, DrG and Klemen L.

DrG I would very much like to see the map that you mention in your post if it would not be too much trouble too you.

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Post by DrG » 14 Jan 2005, 03:28

This map doesn't show borders very different from today (mostly because there aren't borders in Southern Arabia! :D), but it's rather interesting:
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Post by Ostfront Enthusiast » 14 Jan 2005, 06:54

DrG I can't thankyou enough,

If I may ask just one final favour though, could you please scan from your period atlas a map of Greece? You really are lucky to have this atlas, I must say.

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Post by DrG » 14 Jan 2005, 14:41

Ostfront Enthusiast wrote:You really are lucky to have this atlas, I must say.
Yes, but it's not difficult to find a copy of it: just a few weeks ago I saw one on eBay-Italy for just 4 or 5 euros (it isn't a luxury edition, and it seems it was printed in many copies).
If I may ask just one final favour though, could you please scan from your period atlas a map of Greece?
No problem; this is a map of Greece in 1942 showing the occupation zones, but I think there are some mistakes (for example Crete is shown as part of the Italian zone, while it was, except for the most Eastern district, under German occupation; the colours had been printed a bit off the correct position):
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Post by Windward » 15 Jan 2005, 17:57

Thank you very much DrG, for the excellent maps!

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Post by DrG » 01 May 2005, 17:43

Windward, I've a little present for you. :) Luckly I have just found this page: http://www.websitesrcg.com/border/maps.html; it has some historical maps of Indochina. This map: http://www.websitesrcg.com/border/maps/ ... a-1942.jpg is the most interesting, because it shows the borders of Thailand in 1942 with a good degree of accuracy, but the part of it that is S-W of the Tonle Sap is different from that shown in my two maps that I've already posted in this thread. :?

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Post by Windward » 03 May 2005, 12:08

Well, what could I say except "grazie molto"? Thank you so much! :D

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Post by Phil Bishop » 23 Oct 2005, 00:13

Some notes on the subject, gleaned from various sources.

Burma Independance Army trained in Thialand in 1941 under Japanese supervision. Dec 10th 2.300 men attacked Burma alongside Thias and Japanese. Thialand declares war on US and Britain 25/1/42.

Thia armour -

Vickers 6 ton type B - 30 in 1933
Vickers-Morris AC 1931 - 6 in 1931
Vickers Armstrong armoured tractor with 2pdr - 26 in 1933 (First S/P AA gun in the world)
Vickers Carden Loyd Tankette Mk VI - 60+ in 1933

Thia Navy 1940 -

Torpedo boats 10+
Gunboats 2+
Minesweepers 2+
Minelayers 9+
Coastal defece ships 2+
Submarines 4+

Aircraft 1942 onwards

Mitsubishi F1M Amphibious patrol
Mitsubishi Ki 21 Bomber
Mitsubishi Ki 30 Bomber
Nakajima Ki 27 Fighter
Nakajima Ki 43 Fighter
Tachikawa Ki 36 Bomber/Observer

Small arms

Japanese 6.5mm Rifle type 38
German 8mm Mausers
8mm (?) Mauser Raman VI (Thia made)
.303 Lee Enfield
Japanese Arisaka 03

Any information on any of the above appreciated

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Thailand invades the Eastern Shan States in Burma

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Post by asiaticus » 23 Oct 2005, 10:50

The Thai Northern Army in the Shan State:

http://www.cpamedia.com/history/thailand_in_shan_state/

Thailand invaded the Eastern Shan States in Burma with its Phayap (Northern) Army. It was composed of the 2nd, 3rd and 4th Divisions among others:

http://orbat.com/site/ww2/drleo/082_tha ... ld_01.html

Prior to the invasion of the Shan States the RTA skirmished with elements of the Burma Frontier Force (led by a Lt. I.O.G. Scott).

RTAF planes provided support for the Phayap Army throughout its drive on Kengtung and during the occupation, and defended Thai air space against USAAF and RAF intrusions and bombing runs.


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http://orbat.com/site/ww2/drleo/082_tha ... iv_inf.htm

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Land war Franco Thai war December 1940 - 28 January 1941

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Post by asiaticus » 23 Oct 2005, 11:05

http://france1940.free.fr/e41index.html

http://www.sonic.net/~bstone/history/vichyvssiam.shtml

http://france1940.free.fr/vichy/frameftw.html



Tanks battle of Yang Dam Koum16 January 1941

Siamese tanks were used in armoured battalions, consisting of a command tanks and three 2-tank companies. Vickers Mk.E tanks were used during a war with France in Indochina (December 1940 - 28 January 1941). In January 1941, a land operation started, on 16 January there was a battle of main forces at Yang Dam Koum in Battambang province. The French forces consisted of 4 infantry battalions, supported by the Detachement Motorise de Cochinchine (FT-17 tanks and trucks armed with 20mm guns), but there is no information, if the French armour was used in this battle. The Thai infantry was efficiently supported by some Vickers tanks, and the French had no anti-tank means at first. Finally, the battalion of the 5th Foreign Legion regiment brought up two 25mm AT-guns and one 75mm field gun, and destroyed 3 tanks. The fighting was fierce and ended with the French withdrawal.

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Post by Billy » 16 Nov 2005, 23:14

Does anyone have any photographs, illustrations etc. of the Thai Army's uniforms during its war with French Indochina?

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Post by Leonard » 18 Nov 2005, 19:47

A few Chinese sources state that the 1st division of the Thai Army is involved in the invasion of Shan States. Does anyone have any info on that?

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Post by major grubert » 20 Nov 2005, 00:39

No 1st Division was involved in the Phayap campaign.

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Post by George Lerner » 20 Nov 2005, 16:39

I'm Thai, I had a relative fight aganist the Japs. This is our story.

Our King allied with Japan because we were smart. We could not hold on and surrendered and allied. We helped the Allies to the fullest but our politcal ambitions have been quite complicated. We had a very small army, and it was used by the Japs aganist the evil Bruma. (I don't like Burma they destoryed our old city) So in any case, the enemy of our enemy was our friend and we did not try to give troops to Japan, but they did draft only a few thousand. We kept our independence, and we kept our dignity. Only the south went under Japan's evil wraith.

Also, France was our enemy, they have conquered our land since the late 1880s, ever since then it has been Thailand's downfall. We lost our domiance so it was pay back time.

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