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Post by major grubert » 20 Nov 2005 16:09

I would suggest for all to ignore George Lerner's uninformed reply.

Billy, try these two links:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333/m ... +questions
http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333/m ... +Thai+pics

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Post by Leonard » 21 Nov 2005 03:16

Major Grubert

Sorry I am confused. Do u mean the 1st division "was" or "was not" involved?

This is a post that u made a while ago in another thread:
viewtopic.php?t=80014&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=pahyap

"Lt. Col. Thwuan Wichaikhatkha's Cavalry Division served as the Phayap Army's left flank on the Salween.
It consisted of the 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th Cavalry Battalions, as well as two independent companies of motorised recon. troops."

May I ask about the about the designation of this cavalry division?

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Post by major grubert » 21 Nov 2005 03:36

I shall reiterate the fact that no 1st Division was ever stationed on the Phayap front.

The cavalry division is simply the cavalry division.

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Post by Leonard » 21 Nov 2005 04:15

thanks grubert

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Post by Klemen L. » 21 Nov 2005 20:24

A Forgotten Invasion: Thailand in Shan State, 1941-45

On December 8, 1941, Japanese troops invaded Thailand at nine separate points: by land, from Battambang in Cambodia, by air at Don Muang airfield, and by sea in seven amphibious landings between Hua Hin and Pattani on the gulf coast. Despite fierce fighting at points in the south, organised resistance lasted only a few hours. Field Marshal Phibun Songkhram, then Thai ruler, ordered a cease-fire, his government having agreed that to fight the Japanese would be suicidal. At this point Britain and the United States regarded Thailand as an enemy-occupied country and the innocent victim of Japanese aggression.

Unknown to the allies - and to most of his own cabinet - Phibun had other ideas. Influenced, perhaps, by the sinking of Britain's two capital ships, Repulse and Prince of Wales, within sixty hours of the outbreak of war in the Far East, he determined to seek an alliance with Japan. On December 14 he signed a secret agreement with the Japanese committing Thai troops to participate in the invasion of Burma, One week later, on December 21, 1941, Phibun signed a formal treaty of alliance with Japan in front of the Emerald Buddha at Wat Phra Kaeo, considered the most sacred object in all Thailand.

Phibun's reward for entering into this alliance was a secret Japanese guarantee to return to Thailand the Malayan provinces ceded to the British in 1909, as well as - with no comparable historical justification - the "lost territories" of Burma's Shan State. In pursuit of these aims, because he believed the Allies beaten, and because it was an auspicious day, on January 25, 1942, Phibun declared war on Britain and the United States.

As is well known, Phibun's action was opposed by most Thais as well as by Thailand's ambassador to Washington, Seni Pramoj, who simply refused to deliver the declaration of war to the US Secretary of State. Phibun, however, was determined that Thailand should both be on the winning side, and that it should benefit from the spoils of victory. Thailand, he announced, was a nation of great warriors who had to learn to adapt and make sacrifices. Part of this process was to recognise who the country's true friends were. Britain could no longer be counted as such a friend, as it had long deprived Thailand of some of its territory. And so... let loose the dogs of war!

In addition to his territorial aspirations, it is probable that Phibun was worried about the morale of the Thai regular forces, now that they had been faced down by the Japanese and had no obvious role in defending the country. As a result, he conceived the idea of creating a new "Northern Army" which would invade Burma and seize control of Burmese territory east of the Salween River - a territory then known as the Eastern Shan States. Since Thailand had already been promised parts of Burma which were regarded as "lost territory" in the secret protocol, the Japanese did not object in principle, though they were not prepared to allow Thai claims on Burma's Karen State, insisting that Phibun limit his territorial ambitions to Shan State. The Japanese also seem to have realised, as apparently the vainglorious Phibun did not, that a campaign of conquest in north-eastern Burma would be no walkover.

Japan also had to take into consideration the feelings of its Burmese puppet-allies. Under a hastily drawn up constitution which incorporated both democratic and totalitarian elements, Burma was to be "a fully independent and sovereign nation" ruled over by the Naingandaw Adipadi, or Head of State. The man chosen for this position was the Burmese nationalist Ba Maw. When informed of the impending transfer of eastern Shan State to Thailand, Ba Maw was naturally less than happy. At a meeting with Tojo, the Japanese strongman, in Singapore, Ba Maw commented that "Neither the Burmese nor the Shans will be completely happy about the dismemberment of the Shan territory and its people". Tojo was apologetic, but explained that Japan had promised eastern Shan State to Thailand as the price for becoming an ally. "But we have come in with you too", said Ba Maw, "and we also have our claims".

Command of Thailand's Northern Army was given to Luang Seri Roengrit, well-known in Bangkok for his patronage of the Royal Turf Club, but who had also successfully organised the transport of military equipment to the Cambodian border during the conflict with French forces in Indochina in 1940-41. The logistical problems Luang Seri faced in Shan State were quite different, however. The Thai railway system only reached as far north as Chiangmai (as, indeed, it still does today), and from there the troops of the Northern Army, carrying thei supplies, had to slog their way along rocky mountain tracks to the Burmese frontier. Many of the soldiers involved came from the north-east, and were not equipped to cope with the climate in the northern mountains. They were inadequately armed, poorly motivated - and they had no real idea who they were meant to be fighting.

Shortly after Japan's attack on Pearl Harbour on December 7, 1941, Chiang Kai-shek cabled Roosevelt and Churchill offering China's full cooperation in the Southeast Asian theatre. In particular, he suggested that Chinese Nationalist (KMT) troops should move into northern Burma to help protect the vital supply routes between Rangoon and Chungking. This offer was accepted, and units of the 93rd Division of the KMT army based in Yunnan moved south down the Salween Valley. Early in 1942 these KMT troops arrived in Shan State where, facing no immediate prospect of a Japanese attack, they settled down to live off the land. This peaceful existence was shattered on May 3, when planes of the Thai airforce bombed Kengtung as a prelude to the arrival of the Northern Army several weeks later.

Half a century later a senior Shan monk still living in Kengtung recalls the occasion: "The Thais sent 27 aeroplanes and most of the bombs were dropped at the market where the Chinese troops stayed". The bombing caused the KMT soldiers to retreat from the centre of Kengtung. A few weeks later Thai infantry led by Field Marshal Pin Choonhavan reached Kengtung and raised the Thai flag there. General Chatichai Choonhavan, the former Thai prime minister and current head of the Chart Pattana Party, then a young man with the rank of second lieutenant, was amongst the victorious Thai forces.

Phibun Songkhram was predictably delighted. He announced that the victory of the Northern Army had vindicated the reputation of the Thai armed forces, and that the capital of the eastern Shan States had been liberated from "the enemy". He also announced that the new name of the eastern Shan States - that is, Shan State east of the Salween - would be "Original Thai State". Thailand's acquisition of these territories, together with the return of the northern Malay states of Kelantan, Trengganu, Perlis and Kedah which King Chulalongkorn had ceded to the British in 1909, was confirmed by treaty with Japan in August, 1943.

Meanwhile, in Shan State itself, the KMT soldiers withdrew to the hills and forests surrounding Kengtung, whilst the Thais set up a basic local administration in the city. Although the onset of the rainy season in mid-1942 brought a halt to the fighting in the area, it only increased the hardships the Thai troops had to suffer. They were seriously deficient in food and medical supplies, so deaths from malaria and dengue fever far exceeded those in battle. Phibun eventually turned his attention to the problem in January, 1943, when he ordered ten tons of quinine to be sent to the Northern Army.

When Phibun actually visited the north some weeks later, he sent orders flooding back to Bangkok for uniforms, staff officers, sugar, money, doctors and a hundred ox-carts of bananas to be sent to the troops in Shan State. With Japanese backing, he also ordered the construction of hundreds of kilometres of unsurfaced roads to link Chiangmai with Shan State - the present northern loop road from Chiangmai to Mae Hong Son through the settlement of Pai dates from this period.

By this time Phibun and his war cabinet were becoming distinctly uneasy, however. January, 1943 - the same month in which Phibun travelled north - brought news of shattering German defeats at Stalingrad and in North Africa. These were first clear signs that Phibun might have led Thailand into the war on the wrong side. He responded by banning all aliens from residing in Thailand's six northern provinces. Meanwhile the Northern Army continued to announce new victories - spurious claims, treated with scepticism by most Thais, who were well aware that the Japanese had already completed the conquest of Burma.

For the remainder of the war Shan State remained a largely forgotten backwater. Those Thai troops who fell ill and were returned to Bangkok for treatment were shocked that nobody seemed to know or care about the hardships the Northern Army was suffering. Meanwhile the surviving forces of Chiang Kai-shek's KMT 93rd Division hid out in the jungles, occasionally clashing with Japanese forces who had followed the Thais into Shan State and were now behaving with their usual bestiality, completely destroying, for example, the prosperous Chinese Muslim settlement at Panglong, butchering ethnic Chinese, and making it quite clear to the dispirited Thais just who the masters of "Original Thai State" really were.

Meanwhile, back in Bangkok, the Thai authorities were understandably anxious to placate the victorious Allies. Phibun had started out with the stated objective of ensuring that, whoever won the war, Thailand would be on the victorious side. In this, as in so much, he had miscalculated badly. Early in 1944 the British moved to the offensive on the Burma front. Thailand - and especially the Klong Toey docks at Bangkok - came under increasingly frequent bombing raids, supplies were short, the Japanese arrogant and increasingly harsh in their treatment of their Thai "allies".

At home, Phibun was increasingly disliked not just for involving Thailand in an unpopular war and for the rampant inflation, but also for his unpopular domestic policies - his attempts to simplify Thai spelling, to enforce unpopular dress codes, and to forcibly assimilate Thailand's various cultural minorities. On July 24, 1944, taking advantage of Tojo's fall from power a week earlier in Tokyo, an alarmed Thai legislature refused to pass two government bills, and Phibun - widely regarded as Tojo's protégé - was forced to resign.

His successors, under the nominal leadership of Khuang Aphaiwong but strongly influenced by the Free Thai movement of Pridi Phanomyong, were well informed about Allied wartime thinking on the desirability of punishing Thailand for its alliance with Japan. Britain, in particular, sought to impose retribution and controls on Thailand which would reduce the country to near-protectorate status.

In an attempt to forestall this eventuality, the post-Phibun Thai authorities discreetly contacted the Allies and let it be known that they were prepared to turn against their former Japanese partners whenever the Allies gave the word. They also made it quite clear to the British that they renounced all claim to Shan State and northern Malaya, and that they would return these territories to Britain immediately on the cessation of hostilities. Despite these gestures, the British were not disposed to treat the Thais leniently. They felt stabbed in the back by Japan's use of Thai territory to invade Burma and Malaya, and only strong American pressure prevented a vengeful Churchill from implementing punitive measures against the Thais.

Meanwhile, in distant Shan State, Thailand's Northern Army remained in occupation of Kengtung and the surrounding areas until Japan's unexpectedly swift surrender following the nuclear destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in August, 1945. Even before this time some Thai troops had been straggling back to northern Thailand. With the surrender and departure of their Japanese allies, most returned home, though some stayed on amongst their Shan fellows, married, and settled down in Kengtung. The descendants of some of these soldiers still live in Shan State today.

Interestingly, elements of the KMT 93rd Division also stayed on, allying themselves first with new Nationalist refugees from China following the communist seizure of power in 1949. After being driven out of Burma in 1956, some eventually settled in the 93rd Division's final base camp at Doi Mae Salong, in Chiangrai Province, where they and their descendants remain to this day.

Text copyright © Andrew Forbes / CPA 2002.

This article was originally published in the Bangkok Post.

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Re: Thailand?

Post by Wisarut » 02 Aug 2012 09:55

^^^
Yah, while IJA could board TSR trains back to BKK before going back to Japan, RTA men in Kentung and Shan state had to walk barefoot with ragged uniforms and Malaria in their blood to take Army trains in Phitsanuloke since there was no train in Lampang (the dropping point to Chiang Rai and Shan State).

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Post by Wisarut » 03 Sep 2012 03:39

major grubert wrote:No 1st Division was involved in the Phayap campaign.
As promoised, I'll give you the list of OOB for Phayap Army which to be shown as follows:
Phayap Army Consisted of
1. The 2nd Div. (Prachinburi) consisted of
1.1 The 4th Inf. Reg. Consisted of
1.1.1 The 10th Inf. Bat. (Prachinburi)
1.1.2 The 11th Inf. Bat.
1.1.3 The 12th Inf. Bat.
1.2 The 5th Inf. Reg Consisted of
1.2.1 The 13th Inf. Bat.
1.2.2 The 14th Inf. Bat.
1.2.3 The 15th Inf. Bat.
1.3 The 12th Inf. Reg Consisted of
1.3.1 The 28th Inf. Bat (Nakhon Sawan)
1.3.2. The 29th Inf. Bat (Phitsanuloke) => The 3rd Inf. bat., 4th Inf. Reg.
1.3.3. The 33rd Inf. Bat. (Phitsanuloke)
1.4 The additional Units consisted of
1.4.1 The 4th Art. Bat,
1.4.2 The 5th Art. Bat,
1.4.3 The 6th Art. Bat
2. The 3rd Div. (Nakhon Ratchasima) consisted of
2.1 The 7th Inf. Reg. (Nakhon Ratchasima) consisted of
2.1.1 The 19th Inf. Bat. (Nakhon Ratchasima)
2.2.2 The 20th Inf. Bat. (Nakhon Ratchasima)
2.2.3 The 21st Inf. Bat. (Nakhon Ratchasima)
2.2 The 8th Inf. Reg. (Surin) Consisted of
2.2.1 The 17th Inf. Bat.
2.2.2 The 18th Inf. Bat. (Udorn Thani)
2.2.3 The 52th Inf. Bat.
2.3 The 9th Inf. Reg. (Ubon Ratchathani) Consisted of
2.3.1 the 25th Inf. Bat. (Ubon Ratchathani)
2.3.2 the 26th Inf. Bat. (Ubon Ratchathani)
2.3.3 the 27th Inf. Bat. (Ubon Ratchathani)
2.4 The additional Units consisted of
2.4.1 The 7th Art. Bat. (Nakhon Ratchasima before moving to Udorn in 1943)
2.4.2 The 8th Art. Bat.
2.4.3 The 9th Art. Bat.

3. The 4th Inf. Div. (Nakhon Sawan) consisted of
3.1 The 3rd Inf. Reg. (Lopburi) which consisted of
3.1.1 The 4th Inf. Bat. (Lopburi)
3.1.2 The 6th Inf. Bat. (Lopburi) - since 1940
3.1.3 The 8th Inf. Bat. (Lopburi) - since 1940
3.2 The 13th Inf. Reg. (Lopburi) which consisted of
3.2.1 The 30st Inf. Bat. (Lampang)
3.2.2 The 31st Inf. Bat. (Chiang Mai) => the 1st Inf. Bat., 7th Inf. Reg.
3.2.3 The 34th Inf. Bat. (Lampang)
3.3 The additional Units consisted of
3.3.1 The 3rd Art. Bat,
3.3.2 The 10th Art. Bat,
4. Cal. Div. (BKK) Consisted of
4.1 The 35th Cal. Reg. Consisted of
4.1.1 The 3rd Cav. Bat. (Nakhon Ratchasima)
4.1.2 The 5th Cav. Bat.
4.2 The 46th Cal. Reg. Consisted of
4.2.1 The 4th Cav. Bat.
4.2.2 The 6th Cav. Bat.
5. The 12 Cal. Reg. (BKK) consisted of
5.1 the 1st Cal. Bat. (Royal Guard) (Kiakkai - BKK)
5.2 the 2nd Cal. Bat.
6. The 35th Inf. Bat. (Chiang Mai)
7. Army Artillery Unit consisted of
The 1st Art. Bat. (BKK - Saphan Daeng)
The 11th Art. Bat. (Lampang)
8. Army Engineer Unit consisted of
the 1st Eng Bat (Ayutthaya)
the 2nd Eng Bat
the 3rd Eng Bat
the 4th. Eng Bat
9. Army Wing 80 (Lampang - Chiang Rai) consisted of
22nd Squadron (Chanthaburi)
41st Squadron (Chanthaburi)
32nd Squadron (Nakhon Ratchasima)
18 Feb 1942: Army WIng 80 has become
WIng 80 (Chiang Rai) conssited of
22nd Squadron (Chanthaburi)
41st Squadron (Chanthaburi)
Wing 90 (Chiang Mai)
32nd Squadron (Nakhon Ratchasima)
42nd Squadron
21 June 1942: WIng 80 & WIng 90 has transferred the Squardron as follows
WIng 80 (Chiang Rai) consisted of
21st Squadron with 9 Corsair (Khok Kratiam - Lopburi) replace 22nd Squadron
43rd Squadron with 10 Hawk 3 (Watthananakhon - Prachinburi) replace 41st Squadron
Wing 90 (Chiang Mai) consisted of
33rd Squadron with 9 Corsair (Dong Phraram - Prachinburi) replace 32nd Squadron
52nd Squadron with 5 Hawk 3 (Nakhon Srithammaraj) replace 42nd Squadron
10. Army Communication Unit
11. Army Anti-Aircraft Unit
12. Field Armour Car Units Consisted of
Field Armour Car Area 1
Field Armour Car Area 2
//---------------------------------------------------
Phayap Wing to Support Wing 80 consisted of
Wing 85 (Lampang)
Squadron 61 (Heavy Bomber - Lampang)
Hawk 3 Squadron (Sankamphang - Chiang Mai)
WIng 62 (Phrae)
//--------------------------------------------------------
The 2nd Army (established in September 1943) consisted of
1. The 1st Div. (Reserve) Consisting of
1.1 The 1st Inf. Reg.
The 1st Inf. Bat. (BKK) (Royal Guard)
The 3rd Inf. Bat. (BKK - Yothee Road) => Tiger Army
1.2 The 2nd Inf. Reg. (BKK) est. 1942 consisted of
The 2nd Inf. Bat. (BKK) (Royal Guard)
The 7th Inf. Bat. (BKK)
The 37th Inf. Bat. (Rajburi)
The 45th Inf. Bat. (Phetburi)
2. The 6th Div (Nakhon Srithammaraj) - renamed from the 5th Div. in 1943
2.1 The 17th Inf. Reg. Conssited of
2.1.1 The 38th Inf. Bat. (Chumporn)
2.1.2 The 39th Inf. Bat. (Nakhon Srithammaraj)
2.1.3 The 40th Inf. Bat. (Trang)
2.1.4 The 15th Art. Bat. (Nakhon Srithammaraj)
2.2 The 18th Inf. Reg. Consisted of
2.2.1 The 5th Inf. Bat. (Hatyai)
2.2.2 The 41st Inf. Bat. (Ban Suantul, Songkla)
2.2.3 The 42nd Inf. Bat. (Pattani)
2.2.3 The 13th Art. Bat. (Ban Suantul, Songkla)

3. The 7th Div (Nakhon Sawan) - using the reserved forces along with Youth forces

REF: http://www.aircadet22.net/index.php?lay ... 79&Ntype=2

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Post by Wisarut » 03 Sep 2012 03:41

Durign the fighting, Phayp Army has created the 17th Inf. Reg. (Battelfield) to help the situation which consisted of

1. The 32nd Inf. Bat. from Nakhon Sawan - taken from the 2nd Inf. reg.
2. The 35th Inf. Bat. from Chiang Mai
3. The 39th Inf. Bat. from Nakhon Srithammaraj
Note: the regular HQ for the 17th Inf. Reg.) - leaving the 40th Inf. Bat. (Trang) to protect
the Reg. HQ in Nakhon Srithamaraj.

In 1942, RTA decided to dissolve the 15th Inf. Reg. in Rajburi and designated the 37th Inf. Bat. (Rajburi)
and the 45th Inf. Bat. (Phetburi) to be under the jurisdiction of the 2th Inf. Reg. - Leaving ONLY the 38th Inf. Bat.
to Protect Chumporn

//-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
In 1943, RTA has created The 2nd Army (Lopburi) which consisted of
- the 1st Div (Chiang Rak) consisted of
-the 1st Inf. Reg.
- The 1st Inf. Bat. (Royal Guard) (BKK)
- The 3rd Inf. Bat. (BKK)
- The 9th Inf. Bat. (BKK)
-the 2nd Inf. Reg.
- The 2nd Inf. Bat. (BKK)
- The 7th Inf. Bat. (BKK)
- The 37th Inf. Bat. (Rajburi)
- The 45th Inf. Bat. (Phetburi)
- 1st Cavalary Bat. (Moved out of Phayap Army after dissolvign the 12th Cal. Reg)
- 1st Artillery Bat.
-the 7th Div (Loppburi) consisted of
-the 19th Inf. Reg. (Bua Chum, Chai Badan)
- The 58th Inf. Bat. (Bua Chum, Chai Badan)
- The 59th Inf. Bat. (Bua Chum, Chai Badan)
-the 20th Inf. Reg. (Lom Sak)
- The 60th Inf. Bat. (Lom Sak)
- The 61st Inf. Bat. (Lom Sak)
-the 21st Inf. Reg. (Wang Chomphoo in Lom Kao)
- The 62nd Inf. Bat. (Wang Chomphoo in Lom Kao)
- The 63rd Inf. Bat. (Wang Chomphoo in Lom Kao)
- The 64th Inf. Bat. (Wang Chomphoo in Lom Kao)
- the 12th Inf. Reg (Move out of Phayap Army back to Nakhon Sawan) consisted of
- the 28th Inf. Bat. (Nakhon Sawan)
- the 65th Inf. Bat. - from Youth Army Unit (Chula & Thammasart) - (Nakhon Sawan)

- the 6th Inf. Reg (Move out of Phayap Army back to Phitsanuloke) consisted of
- the 29th Inf. Bat. (Phitsanuloke) - separated from the 12th Inf. Reg
- the 66th Inf. Bat. - from Youth Army Unit (Chula & Thammasart) - (Nakhon Sawan)
-the 67th Inf. Bat. -from Youth Army Unit (Chula & Thammasart) - (Tak)

This implied that ONLY the 33th Inf. bat, (Reserved Forces), the 12th Inf. Reg still in Phayap Army.

The tough weather really a big bane to Cavalry men - to see theri horses perish before the actual fighting - forcing the early dissolution of the Cavalry Division while moving the 35th Cavalry Regimen to Roy Ed and the 1st Cavlary battalion (Royal Guard usign Australan Stallons) back to BKK.

Nevertheless, RTA has created the 11th Heavy Machine Gun Battalion (can use Type 76 Anti Aircraft with Armour Cars) for Phayap Army as the replacement for the struck out Cavalry Unit ... alogn with the 1st Machine Gun Battalion and the 2nd machine Gun Battalion .. alogn with the 27th Artillery bat. anf the 29th Artillery Bat.

//-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
In 1944, the 37th Div has been create to Help Serithai which consited of
- HQ in Nakhon Ratchasima
- the 107th Infantry Regiment (Nakhon Ratchasima)
- the 35th Cavalry Regiment (Roy Ed) - move from Phayap Army - consisted of
- the 3rd Cal. Bat.
- the 5th Cal. Bat.
- the 108th Infantry Regiment (Udon Thani - Nakhon Phanom)
- the 9th Infantry Regiment (Ubon Ratchathani) - move from Phayap Army
- the 25th Inf. Bat.
- the 26th Inf. Bat.
- the 27th Inf. Bat.
//---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

30 October 1945: The following unit has been effectively dissolved and demobilized
- 11th Heavy Machine Gun Battalion
- the 1st Machine Gun Battalion
- the 2nd machine Gun Battalion
- the 27th Artillery bat.
- the 29th Artillery Bat.

13 November 1945: Teh foolowign units has been effectively dissolved and demobilized
- Phayap Army HQ
- the 2nd Army
- the 7th Div
- the 37th Div
- the 20th Inf. Reg.
- the 107th Inf. Reg.
- the 4th Cal Bat
- the 6th Art Bat
- the 14th Art Bat
- the 32nd Inf. Bat. (Reserved Forces)
- the 33rd Inf. Bat. (Reserved Forces)
- the 34th Inf. Bat. (Reserved Forces)
- the 35th Inf. Bat. (Reserved Forces)
- the 54th Inf. bat. (Reserved Forces)
- the 56th Inf. bat. (Reserved Forces)
- The 18th Mixed Brigade at 4 States of Melayu
- the 40th Inf. bat. (Trang)
- the 41st Inf. bat. (Songkla)
[ONLY the 5th Inf. Bat. (Hat Yai), the 13th Art. Bat (Songkla), 1 Company of Armour cars unit and the 2nd Marine Bat. ()Sattahip) remained before gogin back to their opriginal base ]

The Postwar reoganization of RTA is
1. 1st Army Circle (BKK) consisted of
- the 1st Inf. Reg. (BKK) - 1st, 3rd, and 9th Inf. bat
- the 11th Inf. Reg. - 2nd, 7th, 37th, and 45th Inf. bat [Renamed from the 2nd Inf. Reg.]
2. 2nd Army Circle (Prachinburi) consisted of
- the 2nd Inf. Reg. (Lopburi) - 4th, 6th, and 8th Inf. bat [Renamed from the 3rd Inf. Reg.]
- the 12th Inf. Reg. (Prachinburi) - 10th, 11th, and 12th Inf. bat [Renamed from the 4th Inf. Reg.]
3. 3rd Army Circle consisted of
- the 3nd Inf. Reg. (Nakhon Ratchasima) - 19th, 20th, and 21th Inf. bat [Renamed from the 7th Inf. Reg.]
- the 13th Inf. Reg. (Ubon Ratchathani) - 25th, 26th, and 27th Inf. bat [Renamed from the 9th Inf. Reg.]
4. 4th Army Circle consisted of
- the 4th Inf. reg. (Nakhon Sawan) - the 28th, the 29, the 30th, the 31st Infantry battralion [Mixed the 12th Inf. Reg. & 13th Inf. Reg. before renaming]

5 5th Army Circle consisted of
- the 5th Inf. Bat (Hat Yai - Songkla)
- the 38th Inf. Bat (Chumporn)
- the 39th Inf. Bat (Nakhon Srithammaraj)
- the 42nd Inf. Bat (Khok Pho -Patani)
[the remain due to their heroic action]

Note: No info avaiable abotu those independent cavalry battalions along with artillery unit yet.

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Re: Thailand?

Post by Leonard » 03 Sep 2012 08:44

The 6th Div is in the Second Army on your first post but disappear in the second. Which one is correct?

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Post by Wisarut » 22 Nov 2012 23:53


March of Thai Troop after the end of Indochina War

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Re: Thailand?

Post by Wisarut » 07 Apr 2014 07:19

Leonard wrote:The 6th Div is in the Second Army on your first post but disappear in the second. Which one is correct?
Seem to me I have forgotten to add one or so - better check the source though

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Re: Thailand?

Post by Wisarut » 07 Apr 2014 08:12

Now, I got some question which may be a thorny problem
DrG wrote:Dear Wisarut,
I see that you are an expert of WW2 Thailand and I would like to ask you, please, a few "juridical" details about Thai occupations.

I have read that in 1943 Thailand "annexed" 4 Malay states and parts of Burma. Is it correct to call them "annexions" or were them just military occupations? Or was Thai civil administration extended to those regions, but without a formal annexion? Have you got any map of Thailand after these annexions/occupations, please? Thank you very much for your attention, best regards,
Guido
Not exactly annexation since these 4 melayu state more like military occupation after IJA has transferred the land in question as a goodwill on 20 August 1943 despite of the demand from the Leader to get something like Koh Kong, Mergui-Dawei-Tennisarim or even more Lao area in addition to Lanchang (Xayaburi - Luang Phrabang on the western bank + Champasak) which have significant Thai-Lao ethnic. Since the leader recognize that this 4 melayu state cannot be occupied and integrate like Battambang - Sisophon - Siem Reap, Champasak, and Xayaburi - Luang Phrabang at the long run, 4 Melayu state must be under military control need to set up the Military governors + office of Military governors who have to coordinate with Sultan and Raya ... need to make a political compromise with both IJA in 4 Melayu states along with Raya+Sultan .... as the bureaucrats of 4 melayu state were well-developed by British tuans (British masters) so Military Provincial Governor have no choice but to cooperate and coordinate with the existing bureaucrats while making a contact with Raya and Sultan of 4 Melayu state.

Something to be notice, even though TSR can extend the train service from Hatyai-Sugei Golok route to hat Yai-Tumpat route, TSR were not allow by IJA who control the railway line between Padang besar and Sugei patani to extend the mixed train service of Hatyai-Padang besar to become Hatyai - Sugei Patani ... even rice, food, and luggage without the stamps of "used for Thai military purposes" will be thrown away at padang Besar. Worse, the attempt to issue the invasion notes by Thai armed forces had to be cancelled due to the objection by IJA who insist to use IJA invasion notes. Those unissued invasion notes later being overprinted as "50 Baht" banknotes to alleviate the paper money shortage.

However, the case of Eastern Shan state, it has been done by RTA and RTAF men even Mueang Phan was given by IJA. The eastern shan state bureaucrats were not so well developed so the Military government had more free hands to deal with the administration - they even have to get money to pay the troops by issuing the Invasion notes and run the opium dens with the help from office of Excise Dept as the measure to get paid in Silver Rupees [1 Silver Rupees was 6 Baht in Thai banknotes] or gold sheet [1 Kyat of gold was about 86 Baht then - equal to a sack of sea salt or a price of bride Thai army men had to pay after breaking the virgin of nubile ladies in those area]. Gen Phin Chunhawan, the military governor of Saharat Thai Doem [the name of Eastern shan state area in official record] had to send the request to bureaucrats in BKK to send civil officers to help him run the administration affairs including the education, the internal affairs or so ... For the judges, it has run the War time court with Central Court in Chiang Tung (Kengtung) with power of supreme court during peace time and 3 District courts in Chiang Tung (Kengtung), Mueang Sad, Mueang Hang with the power of district courts during peace time, but the difference was that the right to appeal and sending to supreme court had been suspended due to the Martial law from 25 Jan 1942 to 1 Jan 1946.

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ฺBTW, Saharat Thai Doem consisted of 12 districts - with Field Police Officers as the heads of District - as shown in the map
1. Mueang Chiang Tung district
2. Muang Yong
3. Muang Phayak
4. Muang Yoo
5. Muang Ching
6. Muang Ma
7. Muang Yang
8. Muang Khak
9. Muang Len
10. Maung ko
11. Muang Sad
12. Muang Hang

In conclusion - both cases in question are military government run by military governors even the the level of administration are different according to the local situations.
http://topicstock.pantip.com/library/to ... 42681.html
http://heritage.mod.go.th/nation/milita ... index2.htm
http://heritage.mod.go.th/nation/milita ... index3.htm

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Re: Thailand?

Post by Wisarut » 08 Apr 2014 09:50

^^^
For the State of Kayah, it is referred to Mueang Phan ( which has become a part of Saharat Thai Doem though which had to be returned to British government in Burma-India after Japanese surrender.
For the more exact map, it should be saved to say that this must be referred to the area on the eastern bank of Salaween river though - with exception of Mong Pan [Mueang Phan] - the 13th district of Saharat Thai Doem after the first 12 districts which I have mentioned before.

Sadly, the map I have gotten just show the current districts which did not show the names of some districts which have been merged though. The map which may closed to the original plan may be this one but not very good resolution though.
http://haab.catholic.or.th/web/images/0 ... %B8%9B.jpg

For the 13 districts of Saharat Thai Doem, I tried to find the current equivalence, and so far I got this since some of those districts have status reduced all the way to village level.

1. Mueang Chiang Tung district - Kengtung District
2. Muang Yong - Mong Yawng Township, Mong Hpayak District
3. Muang Phayak - Mong Hpayak District
4. Muang Yoo -
5. Muang Ching -
6. Muang Ma -
7. Muang Yang - Mong Yang Township - Kengtung District
8. Muang Khak
9. Muang Len -
10. Maung ko -
11. Muang Sad - Mong Hsat District
12. Muang Hang - Mong Hang village, Mong Tong Township - Mong Hsat District -
13. Muang Phan - Mong Pan Township of Langkho District

Map of Shan state and Kaya state will help you a little bit though
http://www.myanmars.net/myanmar-map/shan-map.htm
http://www.myanmars.net/myanmar-map/kayah-map.htm

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Re: Thailand?

Post by Wisarut » 08 Apr 2014 15:24

the way Phayap Army using Lampang as the support base for Phayap Army in Kengtung
http://dspace.wul.waseda.ac.jp/dspace/b ... 043_07.pdf

Story of Captain Wan Lorphinit - (5 May 1906- 17 March 1944) a medic who set up the first phamarcuetical factory to produce medicine in the industrial scale, yet he was suffering from Malaria that hit his brain while he was working to treat fellow Army men who suffered from Malaria to that caused his early demise at 10.45 PM at field hospital in Yong district of Saharat Thai Doem.
http://tjpp.pharmacy.psu.ac.th/wp-conte ... 12/wan.pdf

Action of the 5th Cavalry Battalion as a part of Cavalry division [the 12th Cavalry Regiment, the 35th Cavalry Regiment, the 46th Cavalry Regiment] - the 35th Cavalry Regiment consists of the 3rd Cavalry Battalion and the 5th Cavalry Battalion - based in Chiang Mai with Lt Col Luang Chityothin as the first commander of the 5th Cavalry Battalion

Cavalry Division dissolved in Mid 1942 to become the until to seize Mueang Ma and Mueang La near Chinese Border with the 2nd Cavalry Battalion, the 3rd Cavalry Battalion, the 5th Cavalry Battalion the 6th Cavalry Battalion, the 33rd Infantry Battalion, the 1st Army Engineer battalion, motorcycle company, the 49th artillery company and a machine gun platoon. At this time the commander of the 5th Cavalry Battalion is Major Mongkhol Kraitoek ... after the successful seize of Muang Ma and Muang La, the 35th Cavalry Regiment has been revived again but at this time the 35th Cavalry Regiment [the 3rd Cavalry Battalion and the 5th Cavalry Battalion] has been moved to Uttaradit as reserved forces before being moved to support Serithai in Roy Ed in 1944-45.
http://www.rta.mi.th/25020u/25021u/%E0% ... B8%99.html
http://www.rta.mi.th/25020u/25021u/PDF/ ... B8%AD..pdf

For the case of the current 4th division, it has been originated after the 1932 revolution that dissolved the 6th division into Nakhon Sawan military district as the 28th Infantry battalion [after the dissolution of the 7th infantry regiment and the 1st and 2nd infantry battalion] the 7th artillery battalion (the old 1st battalion of the 7th artillery regiment), the 8th artillery battalion (the old 2nd battalion of the 7th artillery regiment) - the 8th artillery battalion (the old 2nd battalion of the 7th artillery regiment) being transferred to Prachinburi in 1933- leaving the 28th Infantry battalion and the 7th artillery battalion in Nakhon Sawa.n

In 1935, the setup of the 4th military circle in Nakhon Sawan which control Nakhon Sawan military district, Chiang Mai military district, Lampang military district, Uttaradit military district and Phitsanuloke military district

In 1939, the 4th military circle (Nakhon Sawan) control all military units in Northern military districts
Nakhon Sawan military district - the 28th Infantry Battalion - the 7th Artillery Battalion (later become the 10th Artillery battalion)
Phitsanuloke military district - the 10th Artillery Battalion - the 29th Infantry Battalion (transformed from the 12th infantry battalion in 1934) - the 33rd Infantry Battalion has been added later
Chiang Mai military district - the 31st Infantry Battalion
Lampang military district - the 30th Infantry Battalion
Uttaradit military district ---

19 August 1940 - the 4th infantry regiment found - set up the signal company for the 4th military circle

Dec 1941 Colonel Luang Harnsongkram (Fon Suwansaila), the commander of the 4th military circle set up the 4th division and moved to Chiang Rai before joining Phayap army to seize Muang Phayak

1943 the new commander for the 4th division is maj Gen Luang Kriangdejphichai (Suk Sukhanin)
1945 the new commander for the 4th division is Maj gen Luang Sutthasarnronnakorn (Sutthi SUkhawathee) -

1945 - the 29th Infantry Battalion and the 33rd Infantry Battalion has been moved to be under control of 66th infantry regiment (based in Wat Bang Sakae, Phitsanuloke) until the end of war - the 29th battalion was back to Fort Naresuan in Phitsanuloke city.

after the war - After the war, the 33rd Infantry Battalion being merged with the 29th Infantry Battalion.

After 1945, all the units were back to the base including the 11th artillery battalion (new unit during the war - now moved to Lampang) along with the 4th Army engineer battalion (Nakhon Sawan) - the veterinarian company (Nakhon Sawan)

http://www.rta.mi.th/23100u/datapol4/b1.html
http://www.rta.mi.th/23100u/webpage/pavat.htm
http://www.infantry43.com/history.php
http://users7.jabry.com/jiraphawat/NKT/R-4.html

Ordinance Dept setting up the field repair unit in Uttaradit and Phetburi - but Uttaradit unit has to move to Phayuha Khiri district of Nakhon Sawan for safety since Uttaradit was under attack.
http://www.rta.mi.th/TEC-DIV-ORD/pdf/%E ... %B8%81.pdf

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