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Can you help me with this plane...

Post by Karbine » 01 Mar 2005 21:33

I noticed this image on a ww2 site and i think its wrong, i may be wrong

The description is "an unknown japanese plane going down in flames"

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To me it looks like a U.S c-47 paratroop plane...am i right?

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Post by bryson109 » 01 Mar 2005 21:34

Looks like a C-47 to me two.

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Post by MadderCat » 01 Mar 2005 21:53

During WW2 Showa and Nakajima (both japanese companies) built 571 L2D (license built copies of DC-3)



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Post by Stormbird » 01 Mar 2005 21:57

L2D Type 0 Transport (DC-3 Clone) (Tabby)
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Post by Karbine » 01 Mar 2005 21:59

heres the japanese plane you were on about very similer to c47 and then c47 below.
Ive zoomed into the wing of the plane on fire and the symbols look like american stars im pritty sure its a c-47 but where they used in the pacific?

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Post by Larry D. » 01 Mar 2005 23:06

Shots of an L2D TABBY being shot down are very rare. Although widely used during the war, the Japanese get them well back in the rear areas and they were rarely encountered. Perhaps that photo was taken in the Home Islands area in the last few months of the war.

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Post by Karbine » 01 Mar 2005 23:12

yea exsactly,look at the markings they look like white circles with a star in middle(american)

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is it a C47 ????

Post by jacobite1 » 03 Mar 2005 14:53

I am not sure it is a C47.....
The wings look to have a higher aspect ratio than a C47.
Also it has a uniform sweep right from the wing root. I seem to remember that from wing root to the engine the wing is straight to the engine on C47.
Also it seems to have a white (?) ring round the fuselage just near the tail, don't remember seeing that on C47.
On the other hand... doesn't have to be the Pacific.... C47's did fly over the "Hump" ( India to Burma )
Just ideas.... I would not claim to know a lot about transports.


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Post by Durruti » 03 Mar 2005 17:51

The "Tabby" going down in flames is definitely Japanese......also, it's a still from a motion picture camera....I've seen the film, but I'm sorry, I can't recall when or where.....

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Post by Larry D. » 03 Mar 2005 18:35

The L2D1, L2D2, L2D3, L2D4 and L2D5 were all called the Navy Type 0 Transport Model 11 and Model 22. They were operated initially by small transport squadrons attached to the headquarters of the Combined Fleet and many of the fleets and air fleets, and later by 1001, 1021, 1022, 1023 and 1081 Kōkūtai, the latter being 5 JNAF transport groups that came into existence after 1 July 1943 and were equipped with TABBYs, THORAs, TINAs, NELLs, BETTYs and EMILYs. For those of us who are "into" wartime Japanese aviation, it would be very interesting to find out exactly where and when that photo or film of the TABBY being brought down was made.

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Post by PapageiStaffel » 06 Mar 2005 21:19

Hi,

It's a L2D, surely not a L2D4 because there isn't a turret. It seems that there isn't an astrodome too.

So long.

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Post by Topspeed » 06 Mar 2005 21:31

Russians had a plane Li-2 Lisunov. Also a copy of a DC-3.

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Post by Uninen » 06 Mar 2005 23:04

On 21 August 1943 a formation of Liberators on a bombing mission came across a Naval Type O Transport, Aircraft Model 11 or L2D (a Douglas DC-3 licence-build in Japan) which was promptly shot down by the dorsal gunner from one of the B-24s.

From The Aerospace Encyclopedia Of Air Warfare Volume 1, 1911 - 1945

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Post by Larry D. » 06 Mar 2005 23:53

On 21 August 1943 B-24s from the 380th Heavy Bomb Gp. attacked Pombelaa/Celebes, and B-24s from another Bomb Group attacked Salamaua and Malahang in northeastern New Guinea. These were the only B-24 missions in the South Pacific on that date. So the L2D incident might have been one of those.

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Re: Showa/Nakajima L2D

Post by Cantankerous » 10 Sep 2023 21:36

PapageiStaffel wrote:
06 Mar 2005 21:19
Hi,

It's a L2D, surely not a L2D4 because there isn't a turret. It seems that there isn't an astrodome too.

So long.
The L2D4 only differed from the L2D3 variant in having Mitsubishi Kinsei 62 engines. The L2D5 also had Kinsei 62s but would have been constructed from wood rather than steel; the L2D5 prototype was not completed prior to Japan's surrender.

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