That's how it's done... Source: http://railwayz.info/I have seen it written that this dual gauge approach is impossible since the difference between the two gauges is too small - under 4 inches, to accommodate the third rail beside the second and space to allow the flange of the wheel to fit. What we have here is essentially two sets of track laid onto the same sleepers , just offset by the necessary spacing. Of course you need to be aware of the 'loading gauge' (?) so that neither track allows trains to hit station, signals, etc.
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Der Alte Fritz wrote:Table lists the remaining two RVD plus the remaining FEDko 2 so column 7 is the total for GVD Osten. Column 11 is the total for the Ostbahn. Column 12 is the province of Bialystok which was not part of the Government General but was an rea to the south east of East Prussia and would have been incorporated into it at some point, together with Courland. In the Great War this area had comprised most of the Ober Ost regime.
1) Geographic area
2) Operational lines inc narrow gauge
3) ditto exc narrow gauge
4) Daily Train km
5) ditto inc narrow gauge
6) Working Locomotive km per day (full gauge) ie. pulling full wagons
7) Locomotive km per day (full gauge) ie. total distance travelled all tasks
8) Wagon km per day
9) Operational locomotives (full gauge)
10) Daily wagon loadings
11) Personnel inc narrow
12) German personnel
13) length of line per 1000 km sq area
14) ditto exc narrow
15) train km per 1 km operational line
16) number of axles per train
17) Working locomotive km per operational locomotive
18) Total locomotive km per operational locomotive
19) Operational locomotives per 100 km of operational track
20) Personnel per 1 km operational track
21) Personnel per train km
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Rather sobering site telling about the mass deportation of Poles from the occupied territories of Poland in mid 1940 after the annexation of the Eastern provinces of Poland by the Soviets. Many tens of thousands were sent to Siberia and Asia. See http://felsztyn.tripod.com/index.html
For our purposes a first hand account of railways in the area. One describes in Jan or Feb 1940 being put on a train on Pinsk line and changing to wide gauge wagons at the 'old' Soviet border.
For our purposes a first hand account of railways in the area. One describes in Jan or Feb 1940 being put on a train on Pinsk line and changing to wide gauge wagons at the 'old' Soviet border.
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Accidentally I found this photo album of a German railroad pioneer from the Great War.
Fotografisches Tagebuch einer Pioniereinheit, 1914-1918
Among other places he seemed to work on Warsaw - Riga and Königsberg - Riga lines in 1915.
I had to attach this photo of a Hindenburg-Brücke over Dubissa river near Lidowiany (Lyduvėnai). They were lucky there was no shortage of forests in Lithuania...
And the guys on the roof of the rail car are getting ready for bungee jumping!
Large photo!!!
Fotografisches Tagebuch einer Pioniereinheit, 1914-1918
Among other places he seemed to work on Warsaw - Riga and Königsberg - Riga lines in 1915.
I had to attach this photo of a Hindenburg-Brücke over Dubissa river near Lidowiany (Lyduvėnai). They were lucky there was no shortage of forests in Lithuania...
And the guys on the roof of the rail car are getting ready for bungee jumping!
Large photo!!!
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Very nice site.
But it continues to puzzle me that such huge works were accomplished so quickly in the Great War on what was a secondary front by the fragmented Prussian and State railways.
But it continues to puzzle me that such huge works were accomplished so quickly in the Great War on what was a secondary front by the fragmented Prussian and State railways.
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Hindenburg himself was a commander in the area at that time. Perhaps he knew how to get things done quickly...
It appears photo album was famous before WWII. Here is the first page of Die Wehrmacht from January 1939.
Although they had river wrongly named as Niemen... Perhaps many heard about Niemen, not so about Dubissa.
It appears photo album was famous before WWII. Here is the first page of Die Wehrmacht from January 1939.
Although they had river wrongly named as Niemen... Perhaps many heard about Niemen, not so about Dubissa.
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So a bridge 300 m long and 30 m wide was constructed in 10 weeks by 4 companies of Eisenbahnpioniere (at 250 men per company in the Great War?) which sounds like quite an achievement and shows that even these huge projects could be completed in a operationally useful timescale. On advantage here is the close proximity of the bridge to civilisation.
I did find this comment in "Germany and the Second World War" Volume 6 p1090 http://www.worldcat.org/title/germany-a ... ht=edition on the railway situation at Stalingrad and the reason as to why they could not complete the reconstruction of the Chir bridge. Simply put with under 12 trains a day reaching the the Army at 450 tonnes net load they are getting 5,400 tonnes maximum for a requirement of 7,000 tonnes (including the Romanian armies) (see footnote) and under such conditions there simply is not the spare capacity to move the 70 train loads of material forward to re-build the bridge.
The same situation is probably true for the Don bridges as well.
I did find this comment in "Germany and the Second World War" Volume 6 p1090 http://www.worldcat.org/title/germany-a ... ht=edition on the railway situation at Stalingrad and the reason as to why they could not complete the reconstruction of the Chir bridge. Simply put with under 12 trains a day reaching the the Army at 450 tonnes net load they are getting 5,400 tonnes maximum for a requirement of 7,000 tonnes (including the Romanian armies) (see footnote) and under such conditions there simply is not the spare capacity to move the 70 train loads of material forward to re-build the bridge.
The same situation is probably true for the Don bridges as well.
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500-600 m actually.So a bridge 300 m long and 30 m wide
Perhaps they planned better in 1915. It shouldn't be a surprise, that there was no forests on the way to Stalingrad, just steppe.
We did discussed Chir bridge situation before. Germans captured it intact, but withdraw under Soviet pressure. Total stuff up.
I don't really know what they were thinking. Perhaps "top brass" thought Stalingrad will fall quickly and large supplies won't be needed. So no rush with rebuilding. You hope late 1941 should be a good lesson...They made the same mistakes year after. Overconfidence after Soviet debacle at Kharkov?
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here is a photo my dad took, the train is commandeered by our troops and the Nazi railroad emblem has been removed but the Eagle's head is facing right, any info?
here is a photo my dad took, the train is commandeered by our troops and the Nazi railroad emblem has been removed but the Eagle's head is facing right, any info?
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This Armband was brought home by my father, wonder if any one has seen a Reichsbahn Armband or ever seen a original photo of someone wearing one?
reverse side image.... https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/1081 ... 3579984670
This Armband was brought home by my father, wonder if any one has seen a Reichsbahn Armband or ever seen a original photo of someone wearing one?
reverse side image.... https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/1081 ... 3579984670
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Regarding the locomotive photo, the number on the side of the engine is helpful.
Class is given by the small letter and numbers (partially painted over by the L) which is GT46.15 and the first two numbers of the larger numbers Class 86. Unit number 272 makes it an early a standard goods train tank engine Einheitsdampflokomotive http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRG_Class_86 probably built late 1930s and operating in Central Germany either on shunting duties or pulling small goods trains short distances. The painted L could indicate that it was now being used on a Branch line.
Class is given by the small letter and numbers (partially painted over by the L) which is GT46.15 and the first two numbers of the larger numbers Class 86. Unit number 272 makes it an early a standard goods train tank engine Einheitsdampflokomotive http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRG_Class_86 probably built late 1930s and operating in Central Germany either on shunting duties or pulling small goods trains short distances. The painted L could indicate that it was now being used on a Branch line.
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Regarding the armbadge it is similar to a conductors badge see Nr.1 http://antique-photos.com/en/unidatabas ... sbahn.html only with Nazi emblems.
See also http://www.epicmilitaria.com/product.ph ... elt-buckle
See also http://www.epicmilitaria.com/product.ph ... elt-buckle
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A further expansion on these figures can be obtained from Germany and the Second World War Volume 5/II showing that 18 million tonnes was seized from the occupied Eastern territories either for use in theatre by the Ostheer or to be shipped back to Germany: However of that 18 million tonnes only 10.7 could be shipped out before the military situation collapsed and its transport abandoned. As shown by this table relating to the Donets Basin a considerable proportion of this was in raw material stocks. Since the Donets Basin was occupied from August 1941 until February 1944 (Krivoy Rog for iron ore, Nikipol for manganese) there was an effort to get mining re-started using 2,000 German miners and a lot of Soviet miners with the priority being given to the Manganese mines: The raw materials used by the Wehrmacht included fuel, wood for heating and construction and iron and steel for local manufacture of weapons which was restarted in captured factories on a small scale and for repairs of weapons and vehicles. In addition food was moved in huge quantities to feed the Ostheer and sent back to the Reich. As before the lack of capacity in the transport network restricted this traffic.Pottgeisser
July 1942 economic traffic:
Direction West-East 16,398 wagons (409 trains or 13 trains a day)
within the area of Russia 38,527 wagons (963 trains or 31 trains a day)
Direction East-West 18,221 wagons (400 trains or 15 trains a day)
The IV quarter of 1942 economic traffic:
Direction west-east................................................... 557.192 t economic goods
In the inland transport of the eastern territories.................. 2,400,980 t economic goods
Towards Germany ,................................................... 1,471,808 t economic goods
and 613.900 head of cattle
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As a comparison we can use the 1939-1941 German-Soviet economic trade which grew after the start of the war with Great Britain to over 70% of German foreign imports both from the USSR and in the case of materials such as rubber, shipped across the USSR on the Trans Siberian railway, or Romanian oil and Turkish imports across Soviet railways.
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi%E2%80 ... 2%80%9341)
Soviet supplied imports Other foreign Imports carried across USSR railways this is around 4.5 million tonnes from the USSR and an additional 0.4 million tonnes from other countries plus the Romanian oil. So over an 18 month period this is roughly the same as the 5.2 million shipped back to the Reich June 9141 - Feb 1944.
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi%E2%80 ... 2%80%9341)
Soviet supplied imports Other foreign Imports carried across USSR railways this is around 4.5 million tonnes from the USSR and an additional 0.4 million tonnes from other countries plus the Romanian oil. So over an 18 month period this is roughly the same as the 5.2 million shipped back to the Reich June 9141 - Feb 1944.