German Railways in the East

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Re: German Railways in the East

Post by GregSingh » 06 Mar 2016 23:39

Documentary/propaganda piece about Kriegslokomotiven (Class 52). Good quality recording.

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Post by Der Alte Fritz » 13 Mar 2016 23:22

The map shows the state of the railways towards the end of August. The documents on either side show the amount and type of traffic on various parts of the network.
This one shows the state of play in early July so you can see the advance made in just under two months
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/de/n ... ect/zoom/8

Other railway documents in the collection:
Armoured trains:
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/ru/n ... rid/zoom/1
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/ru/n ... rid/zoom/1
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/ru/n ... rid/zoom/1
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/ru/n ... rid/zoom/1
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/ru/n ... rid/zoom/1

Use of Russian railway workers
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/ru/n ... rid/zoom/1

Transport of troops from West to East
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/ru/n ... rid/zoom/1

Railways in the deployment phase, (includes some maps of early days in Russia)
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/ru/n ... ect/zoom/4

HG MItte Railway Situation Reports
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/ru/n ... rid/zoom/1

HG MItte Railway Situation p10, 26, 32,
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/de/n ... ect/zoom/4
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Re: German Railways in the East

Post by Boby » 14 Mar 2016 10:46

Hi

If I understand it correctly, the two principal supply bases at the end of August were at Minsk and Molodeczno?

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Re: German Railways in the East

Post by Boby » 14 Mar 2016 11:01

Eisenbahnlage stand: 31.7.[1941]
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/ru/n ... ect/zoom/4

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Re: German Railways in the East

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 14 Mar 2016 18:59

Boby wrote:Hi
If I understand it correctly, the two principal supply bases at the end of August were at Minsk and Molodeczno?
There was one Supply District for each Heerengruppe with an organisation as shown here:
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further details can be found on this thread:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 7&start=60

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Post by Leo Niehorster » 15 Mar 2016 09:20

Did you ever discover any other of these supply district diagrams, such as for the northern and central areas? Besides those four dates?

By the way, the 541st and 571st depots marked "H" (Heergerätpark) in the "Restparke" box were company-echelon Army Transport Equipment Parks, consisting of
• Park Headquarters
• Wagon Group
• Horse and Pack Animal Equipment Group
• Miscellaneous Transport Equipment Group
• Administration Equipment Group
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Post by Der Alte Fritz » 16 Mar 2016 09:16

I am afraid not. HG Mitte files are smaller than the other HG due to the loss of material in June 1944. From NARA there is T311 R216 which covers supply in summer 1942, the Holocaust Centre in New York has some of the railway records of HBD Mitte from 1943-4 but the only place I have seen HG Mitte 1941 documents is in Soviet archives. The German documents in Russia site lists around 500 folders relating to HG Mitte.

However we do have this nice map showing the Supply District Centre in summer 1942
HG Mitte Supply District map 1942.jpg
Fuel supply during August1942
HG Mitte Supply Situation July 1942.jpg
HG Mitte Supply Situation July 1942 -b.jpg
HG Mitte Supply Situation July 1942 -c.jpg
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Post by Der Alte Fritz » 16 Mar 2016 09:25

Supply in August 1942
HG MItte total supplies Aug 1942.jpg
Supply in September 1942
HG MItte Supply Situation September 1942.jpg
Railway Traffic September 1942
HG Mitte Railway traffic SEpt 1942.jpg
But there is this little nugget of information for the "Supply District Belgium" :o http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/de/n ... ect/zoom/4
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Re: German Railways in the East

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 16 Mar 2016 09:58

The railway table is of interest as it shows a total of 84 trains on the move but only 8 crossing the border
M is munitions
Betr.-St. is Operational Supplies
V is Rations
S is other items such as hospital trains

The columns are:
crossing the border
between the Reich (REICHSGR : Reich border?)and Minsk
On North Line
Between Minsk and Smolensk
Between Minsk and Gomel
Eastwards beyond Orscha
Eastwards beyond Smolensk
Eastwards beyond Gomel
Eastwards from the Reich border

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Re: German Railways in the East

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 16 Mar 2016 13:25

A search of BA-MA find only one reference to Versongungbezirk Mitte in the Economic Staff East folder RW 31/59 but this is uncatalogued I think.
Versongungbezirk Nord:
BA-MA RH19-III 614 Bd 3 dated May 1941
BAMA Versongungbezirk Nord.jpg
NARA T78 R135 Fr 7180166
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Re: German Railways in the East

Post by GregSingh » 30 Mar 2016 03:01

Ever wonder how did hospital train look like?
Here are some photos of a brand new Lazarettzug 751 from 20 April 1942.
Lazarettzug 751-1.jpg
Lazarettzug 751-2.jpg
Lazarettzug 751-3.jpg
Source: archives of Staatssekretär beim Reichsprotektorat In Böhmen und Mähren - folder 109-7/14
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Re: German Railways in the East

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 30 Mar 2016 06:44

Looking at the middle picture, the upper beds must be in a stored position and and brought down and placed on the set of hooks you can see by the pillow of the centre bottom bed. Counting the windows on the outside of the train (8) and the number we can see in the middle picture (6) and the number of beds on the right (8) and on the left (4) I reckon there are another 4 beds out of sight behind the photographer giving a total of 16 beds per carriage.

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Re: German Railways in the East

Post by GregSingh » 15 Apr 2016 09:46

Meanwhile, somewhere in the East...
Time to get cleaned up before showing up in Wiesbaden (at least in one piece), unfortunately on not too comfortable ex-Soviet "covered goods wagon".
Shoeshiner '43.jpg
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