German Railways in the East

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Re: German Railways in the East

Post by Solorev » 25 Jul 2016 20:53

The document is posted on the website
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/dou/?docID=132354654
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I need information about the construction Feldbahn I.I understand that a complete and reliable information may be only in German and American archives. It is very difficult, living in Russia, personally visit the archives.Are there any publicly available information about Feldbahn I? For example, in the books on the history of World War 2? Or eyewitness memories of those who built the road? Maps, diagrams and pictures? I would be glad of any information!I promise on their part to help in the search for information about Russia!

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Re: German Railways in the East

Post by GregSingh » 26 Jul 2016 00:08

Hi Solorev, :welcome:

This book mentions Feldbahn I, but it covers much more.
Gottwaldt, Alfred B. (Verf.); Dost, Paul (Mitarb.); Ess, Walter (Mitarb.) u.a.
Heeresfeldbahnen. Bau und Einsatz der militärischen Schmalspurbahnen in zwei Weltkriegen.
https://www.verkehrswesen-antiquariat.d ... _3922.html

NARA roll T78 R117 has a map which shows location of Feldbahn I-III, but it's really of poor quality.
You already have better maps here: http://boguchar-pamyat.ru/articles/93-u ... ast-1.html
Good work there!

Don't forget that Italian 8th Army was using Feldbahn I. Also there could be something in rolls for German 298.ID
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=186082
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Re: German Railways in the East

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 26 Jul 2016 10:04

As regards researching NARA, the Eisenbahnpioniere records are mainly held at OKH level under Grudeis and Kodeis but there are a few records held in Heerengruppe and Armee. The full index for the rolls is available although this may not tell you a great deal about what is on the rolls. Other than that individual documents may appear in KTB of various headquarters but these are pretty random and virtually impossible to find unless you stumble across them.

NARA indexes are here: http://www.sturmpanzer.com/Default.aspx ... em=1&sec=1 and you should start with Guides for OKH(T78) - 95 MB

Searching BAMA is more challenging (but then most of the NARA materials are duplicated here anyway) Invenio is the easiest to use.
You can look under :

R5-ANH. II This is the collection of Eugen Kreidler a high railway official who post war went around collecting a great deal of material which otherwise would have been lost about the GVD Osten, Gedob and DRB.

RH 47 Verbände und Einheiten der Eisenbahntruppe und Technischen Truppe des Heeres
(44) 1 Eisenbahntruppen
(2) 1.1 Stammtafeln
(30) 1.2 Eisenbahn-Pioniere
(10) 1.2.1 Gruppenkommandeure und Kommandeure der Eisenbahntruppen (Grukodeis / Kodeis)
(1) 1.2.1.2 Gruppenkommandeur der Eisenbahntruppen bei der Heeresgruppe B (Grukodeis B)
(7) 1.2.1.3 Gruppenkommandeur der Eisenbahntruppen bei der Heeresgruppe C (Grukodeis C)
(2) 1.2.1.8 Kommandeur der Eisenbahntruppen 16 (Kodeis 16)
(18) 1.2.3 Eisenbahn-Pionier-Regimenter (und Rgts.Stäbe)
(3) 1.2.3.1 Eisenbahn-Pionier-Regiments-Stab 1 z.b.V. / Eisenbahn-Pionier-Regiment 1 mot. (zugleich Grukodeis A)
(1) 1.2.3.2 Eisenbahn-Pionier-Regiments-Stab 2 z.b.V. / Eisenbahn-Pionier-Regiment 2 mot. (zugleich Grukodeis C)
(1) 1.2.3.4 Eisenbahn-Pionier-Regiment 4
(13) 1.2.3.6 Eisenbahn-Pionier-Regiment 6
(3) 1.2.3.6.1 Kommandeur
(4) 1.2.3.6.2 Stab
(1) 1.2.3.6.3 I. Bataillon
(4) 1.2.3.6.4 II. Bataillon
(1) 1.2.3.6.5 Sonstige Unterlagen
(1) 1.2.4 Eisenbahn-Pionier-Bataillone
(1) 1.2.4.1 Eisenbahn-Pionier-Bataillons-Stab z.b.V. 10
(1) 1.2.8 Eisenbahn-Bau-Bataillone
(1) 1.2.8.8 Eisenbahn-Bau-Bataillon 511
(12) 1.3 Eisenbahnbetriebstruppen
(12) 1.3.1 Feldeisenbahn-Kommandos und Feldbahn-Einheiten
(3) 1.3.1.1 Feldeisenbahn-Kommando 4
(2) 1.3.1.2 Feldeisenbahn-Kommando 5
(2) 1.3.1.3 Feldeisenbahn-Betriebs-Kompanie 104
(2) 1.3.1.4 Feldbahn-Kompanie 304
(2) 1.3.1.5 Feldbahn-Bataillons-Stab 501
(8) nicht klassifiziert


(76) RH 66 General der Eisenbahntruppen
(5) 1 Organisatorischen Angelegenheiten
(1) 3 Ausbildung
(8) 5 Pioniergerät
(8) 5.5 Feldbahnen
(59) 7 Strecken, Bahnanlagen, Fahrzeuge
(52) 7.1 Strecken- und Bahnhofspläne
(1) 7.1.1 Allgemein
(1) 7.1.2 Deutsches Reich
(1) 7.1.4 Südeuropa / Südosteuropa
(1) 7.1.5 Nordeuropa
(48) 7.1.6 Osteuropa
(6) 7.2 Brücken
(1) 7.3 Bahnbetriebsanlagen
(1) 13 Berichte, Wochen-, Monats- und Lagemeldungen, Nachrichten
(2) 16 Handakten

RH 4 (OKH / chief of transports)
RH 12-10 (inspection of the railway pioneers of the army (in 10)

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Re: German Railways in the East

Post by GregSingh » 28 Jul 2016 05:03

More info about Feldbahn I.

BA-MA RH 47/316
Ermittlung der technischen Angaben für die Trassierung der Feldbahn Kantemirowka - Bogutschar
Meldungen über den Einsatz von Kriegsgefangenen, Aug. - Nov. 1942

Also Jens Freese 'Schienenstrang nach Stalingrad' has this:
"Schelistowka light railway Feldbahn I construction begins on September 2,1942.[..]aimed to replace the automobile transport to Meschkoff[..]
Partial opening on November 6, December 9 completed."
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Re: German Railways in the East

Post by Solorev » 28 Jul 2016 21:37

Thank you!
In the book Jens Freese 'Schienenstrang nach Stalingrad' has photos, maps or charts Feldbahn I?
In December 1942, Feldbahn I served "X Battaglione Ferrovieri".
http://digilander.libero.it/avantisavoi ... ovieri.htm

"... X Battaglione Genio Ferrovieri, alle dipendenze del XXXV Corpo d'Armata, fu inviato nella tarda sera del giorno 16 dicembre a Krasnogorowka per rinforzare le precarie posizioni del II battaglione del 79 ° Reggimento della Divisione Pasubio. Pur non essendo una unità di fanteria attrezzata ed addestrata a sostenere violenti scontri a fuoco, il X btg. resistette a ripetuti e massacci attacchi sovietici fino al 19 dicembre quando, fortemente provato, ricevette l'ordine di ritirarsi unitamente alla divisione Pasubio per sottrarsi all'accerchiamento che si stava realizzando ..."

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Re: German Railways in the East

Post by GregSingh » 07 Aug 2016 08:00

500+ pages of documents from Feldeisenbahndirektion 2.
Bestand 500 Findbuch 12451 Akte 374

Among them this nice one showing hourly rates paid to Russian railroad workers...
Russischen Eisenbahner.jpg
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Re: German Railways in the East

Post by Solorev » 18 Aug 2016 13:32

"Bau einer Feldbahn durch deutsche eisenbahn-pioniere"
This German inscription can be read as "construction FELDBAHN 1"?
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Re: German Railways in the East

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 18 Aug 2016 15:50

What source is this photo from?
The rails appear to be complete pre-fabricated sections of track rather than separate rails laid and secured onto sleepers. The shorter 'sleepers' are the ones from the feldbahn track with the longer ones being the wooden ones on which the section of track is resting.

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Re: German Railways in the East

Post by Solorev » 19 Aug 2016 12:09

source is this photo: Waffen-Arsenal №167. Deutsche Eisenbahnpioniere Bis 1945

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Re: German Railways in the East

Post by GregSingh » 20 Aug 2016 08:20

A deep ravine, that's a bridge on the photo, right? Corn fields left and right...Is that what's being usually planted in the area between Kantemirowka and Bogutchar?
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Re: German Railways in the East

Post by Solorev » 20 Aug 2016 18:44

"Bau einer Feldbahn durch deutsche eisenbahn-pioniere". I incorrectly translated text. Unfortunately, no photos of the road! Only a few maps and charts.
This is the starting kilometers of narrow gauge railway. maps final kilometers - no!
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Re: German Railways in the East

Post by GregSingh » 21 Aug 2016 06:15

Nice find!

I wonder if you saw this map: Bogutschar_(LWN)_VII.1943

It shows a railway being built south of Feldbahn I, from Tschertkowo to Gratschew with connection to Meschkoff.
Feldbahn I also reached Gratschew according to maps you already provided.

Interesting...
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Re: German Railways in the East

Post by Solorev » 21 Aug 2016 08:49

Thank you! This card is available in my collection.I do not know anything about the construction of this road (south of feldbahn 1)

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Re: German Railways in the East

Post by Solorev » 23 Aug 2016 19:54

Aerial view of the area of the railway narrow gauge - a small area north of the Anno-Rebrikovo.
http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetr ... 20125.html

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Re: German Railways in the East

Post by Solorev » 01 Sep 2016 19:50

Electronic versions of books which can be downloaded or read?
1. Gottwaldt, Alfred B. (Verf.); Dost, Paul (Mitarb.); Ess, Walter (Mitarb.) U.a.
Heeresfeldbahnen. Bau und Einsatz der militärischen Schmalspurbahnen in zwei Weltkriegen.

2. Jens Freese 'Schienenstrang nach Stalingrad.

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