Importance of Moscow to the USSR

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Re: Importance of Moscow to the USSR

Post by KDF33 » 02 Jan 2016 01:27

Here, Soviet railways in 1941. Moscow doesn't appear so critical.

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Re: Importance of Moscow to the USSR

Post by stg 44 » 02 Jan 2016 16:57

For the area northwest of Moscow it does. Having 2 one direction rail lines once Moscow is gone is pretty rough to supply it. Its not fatal for the south, but its not pleasant to lose it.

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Re: Importance of Moscow to the USSR

Post by KDF33 » 03 Jan 2016 10:45

I agree that losing Moscow probably means losing the area North and North-West of it, but then that's not going to deliver the death blow to the USSR. Apart from the LL ports, there's little of value up there, as well as little population.

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Re: Importance of Moscow to the USSR

Post by stg 44 » 03 Jan 2016 16:46

KDF33 wrote:I agree that losing Moscow probably means losing the area North and North-West of it, but then that's not going to deliver the death blow to the USSR. Apart from the LL ports, there's little of value up there, as well as little population.

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I mean there is the Tikhvin bauxite mining area. But the political fallout from losing Moscow and Leningrad and Murmansk, probably Archangelesk too would all be very damaging to Stalin and may result in a coup if he's still alive. Then there is the issue of losing the Moscow communications exchange, which AFAIK was the heart of the system. Its loss would make land line communication very difficult.

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Re: Importance of Moscow to the USSR

Post by KDF33 » 03 Jan 2016 22:28

Well, even if there's a coup, whoever succeeds Stalin will not make peace, given that the Germans plan on exterminating the Russians. I don't see any scenario in which the USSR capitulates.

Do you know how much bauxite came from the Tikhvin area? I was completely unaware of it!

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Re: Importance of Moscow to the USSR

Post by stg 44 » 03 Jan 2016 22:44

KDF33 wrote:Well, even if there's a coup, whoever succeeds Stalin will not make peace, given that the Germans plan on exterminating the Russians. I don't see any scenario in which the USSR capitulates.

Do you know how much bauxite came from the Tikhvin area? I was completely unaware of it!

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http://www.mindat.org/locentry-107471.html
No idea how much there was.
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/96 ... -9608.html

Hitler wouldn't have accepted a surrender if he was winning:
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/96 ... -9608.html

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Re: Importance of Moscow to the USSR

Post by Chepicoro » 07 Jan 2016 23:13

stg 44


The information is from 1942 not 1941 sorry.
"Determination of Fighting Strength USSR" Vol 1. the Central industrial region includes Moscow, the information is on page 41.

https://www.caja-pdf.es/2016/01/07/figh ... er-ussr-1/

Edit... your last link is a duplicated from your second link. could you put the correct link please? I am interested.

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Re: Importance of Moscow to the USSR

Post by stg 44 » 07 Jan 2016 23:50

I can't edit the last post, but this is what I was trying to post:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ural_Moun ... i_planning

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