Luftwaffe Spitfire Identity

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Luftwaffe Spitfire Identity

Post by stig1958 » 15 Jul 2011 18:48

I saw this picture of a captured RAF Spitfire I have never seen this particular captured aircraft before I went online to discover some details on this Spitfire but found no information. It looks like a RAF PR (photo-reconnaissance) Spitfire Mk 8 are the squadron markings on the Spitire the original RAF markings or are they a luftwaffe experimental units own markings.

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Re: Luftwaffe Spitfire Identity

Post by AVV » 15 Jul 2011 19:34

Hello!
stig1958 wrote:are the squadron markings on the Spitire the original RAF markings or are they a luftwaffe experimental units own markings.

I think they are German. IIRC, RAF used three-letter code markings, e.g. JF (roundel) E.

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Re: Luftwaffe Spitfire Identity

Post by MadderCat » 15 Jul 2011 20:05

Info according LEMB:
Coded T9+EK of 2/Versuchsverband Ob.d.L possibly Mk.IX of No.412 Squadron piloted by P/O CW Glithero.

T9 is from Luftwaffe unit



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Re: Luftwaffe Spitfire Identity

Post by Sewer King » 16 Jul 2011 12:30

AVV wrote:Hello!
stig1958 wrote:are the squadron markings on the Spitire the original RAF markings or are they a luftwaffe experimental units own markings.
I think they are German. IIRC, RAF used three-letter code markings, e.g. JF (roundel) E.

Painting-out of the original RAF letters is visible around the "EK."

The tail is probably painted a bright gold-yellow. Didn't the Luftwaffe often paint some other surfaces of captured planes this same color, along with the typical oversized crosses?

Is the rest of the plane re-finished in dark green, since the RAF two-tone camo pattern is not evident?

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Re: Luftwaffe Spitfire Identity

Post by phylo_roadking » 16 Jul 2011 13:06

The tail is probably painted a bright gold-yellow. Didn't the Luftwaffe often paint some other surfaces of captured planes this same color, along with the typical oversized crosses?


Yep, same as the British did with their P-badged prototypes, training aircraft etc....so that enthusiastic Ack Ack gunners down below, seeing an unfamiliar shape, didn't react as they were trained to do.....
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Re: Luftwaffe Spitfire Identity

Post by stig1958 » 16 Jul 2011 14:02

I don’t think this particular Spitfire is the captured IX of 412 RCAF sqn, the shape of the tail is wrong for a Spitfire IX, I still think it’s a PR Spitfire VII or XI with the pointed tail, the IX had a more rounded tail?

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Re: Luftwaffe Spitfire Identity

Post by AL Schlageter » 17 Jul 2011 12:02

Some Mk IXs got the pointy fin/rudder. Spitfire: The History shows many examples.

The lack of guns would make the the a/c a PR XI, not a IX or VIII. The deep cowling under the nose was used on PR XIs. Note also the lack of armoured windscreen.

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Re: Luftwaffe Spitfire Identity

Post by Tim Smith » 17 Jul 2011 12:41

I agree. The aircraft is a PR Spitfire, though I'm not sure of the exact model.

You can't really see whether it has guns or not, but there's definitely no armoured windscreen - there isn't even a rear-view mirror.

As a final clincher against the IX theory, look at the left hand edge of the fuselage cross insignia. There's a faint round shape depression there, with a horizonal bar shape above it. This looks very like the camera port on the PR XI profile above. The IX fuselage doesn't have a round shape panel in that position.

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Re: Luftwaffe Spitfire Identity

Post by AL Schlageter » 17 Jul 2011 18:39

Tim, there are more photos on the LEMB board.

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Post by Mark in Cleveland, Tn. » 06 Aug 2011 04:21

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Post by miroslav_cavic » 14 Sep 2011 08:53

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Post by miroslav_cavic » 16 Sep 2011 08:36

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