"Haunebu" & "Vril" flying saucers

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Re: "Haunebu" & "Vril" flying saucers

Post by LWD » 06 Mar 2009 16:37

stellung wrote:.... A review of the work of Nikola Tesla, whose superior Alternating Current beat out Mr. Edison's inferior Direct Current for the transmission of electricity, shows his proposal for an electric flying craft. ..
Not only is this irrelevant it's not correct. DC and AC both have advantages and dissadvanteges the AC that we use today is not what Tesla proposed.

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Re: "Haunebu" & "Vril" flying saucers

Post by daveh » 06 Mar 2009 16:54

The technical discussion of how such machines may..or may not.... have worked are way beyond me. However in looking at the discussions of such devices I have never seen any discussion directed at what I think of as the more practical aspects of the problem of the existence of such devices.

Following on from schwabenland's comments in regard to pilots/ ground crew/ technicians etc I have often wondered about all the problems relating to the production side of such machines and the paperwork this would generate.

For example

Wouldn't there be research proposals? including requests listing the materials, staff, and lab space needed together with reasons why such research was important to the Third Reich

If accepted, with of course more paperwork, then more paperwork involved in obtaining the materials and facilities to undertake the research:
the technical and scientific staff and labs would be doing other research presumably so there'd probably be counter proposals involved in keeping staff etc on current programmes so perhaps some form of conference assessing the best use of scarce resources with of course supporting documentation.

If successful then

orders making material, manpower and lab/ production facilities available

Then all the papers and reports advising those in charge of progress and further requirements of people, materials and space. Explaining why things are not to schedule..did I mention schedules and proposed testing and production plans? why other projects should not get priority...

Then there is the paperwork involved in ordering relevent components from factories, shipping these to an assembly plant of some form with its associated staff technicians and scientists so thats

archives related to
The factories ordered to produce the components
Shipping said components to an assembly plant
Organising said assembly palnt with suitable flight testing facilities, and support staff.
Any specialised units or equipment needed..as happened with specialised radar tracking units at Peenemunde for example
Getting the labour to construct it at a time when there were massive demands for labour
Getting what sounds like very specialised equipment made, meeting the rival demands on these scarce materials

producing reports on the testing of any vehicle..probably filmed as well as is seen with test flights of eg the new jets
reports on suggested unit organisations and possible tactics?

In addition of course there are all the people who produced/ directed and were involved in all this not just at the testing stage but in all the stages up to that probably involving accidents and possibly deaths..all also generating reports and paperwork.

I am sure there are plenty of other sources of paperwork and yet not a single piece of this paper work trail seems to have survived. I know a lot of records were lost/destroyed but there should be many different archives from factories, research labs, personnel, unit histories, movement orders etc etc in which something would survive.

That is of course in addition to everyone involved in making the things..getting them to fly...etc

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Re: "Haunebu" & "Vril" flying saucers

Post by Simon K » 07 Mar 2009 13:16

You really should read the appalling "Reich of The Black Sun"
In it all is explained.
These were Nazi "black projects" :roll: q.e.d. no paper trail. Also no proof as to the books absurd assertions.
The onus is on the reader to fill in the "evidence". :lol:

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Re: "Haunebu" & "Vril" flying saucers

Post by daveh » 07 Mar 2009 16:42

ah silly me..I should have realised no one needed to commit anything to paper because everyone would know what to do, how and when, what was ordered and when, where it was to go what was to be done without any record... :D all the factories would happily send off material without any invoice ..or being paid..so so obvious...

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Re: "Haunebu" & "Vril" flying saucers

Post by Simon K » 07 Mar 2009 17:29

Like Auschwitz was the Nazi secret bomb factory etc
There is a major historical error on virtually every page of that tract. If thats an evidence pool God help us.
revisionism meets sci fi.

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Re: "Haunebu" & "Vril" flying saucers

Post by HenryS » 28 Feb 2010 06:13

Simon K wrote:Like Auschwitz was the Nazi secret bomb factory etc
There is a major historical error on virtually every page of that tract. If thats an evidence pool God help us.
revisionism meets sci fi.
You know, guys, there really is quite a lot of evidence for the reality of German flying discs. Maybe you nay-sayers could explain some simple things like Andreas Epp and the two photographs he took in the fall of 1944 over Prague airport of a German flying disc in flight. Or the FBI report and interest the Americans evidenced in Epp. Or the conversation of Ing. Georg Klein and Dr. ing. Hans Kammler about which model of saucer should go into production (as reported in Klaus-Peter Rothkugel's book, taken from the Hamburg Morgen Post. Or William Lyne's compass. Or the testimony of Otto Lange in which he swears he test-flew a German flying disc for 250-500 km. Oh yes, and regarding all that electromagnetic babble, well, will someone who does not think homopolar generators are something special, will that person tell me how Maxwell explains them?

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Re: "Haunebu" & "Vril" flying saucers

Post by Ironmachine » 28 Feb 2010 09:10

HenryS, are you perhaps the "Henry Stevens" that wrote Hitler's Flying Saucers - A Guide to German Flying Discs of the Second World War?

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Re: "Haunebu" & "Vril" flying saucers

Post by Grünherz » 28 Feb 2010 11:35

Sorry Ironmachine, but I'm going to butt in.
Third Reich "flying saucers" are a joke. A fantasy. A fairytale/invention like "we never got to the moon---that was faked". ( I actually met someone who believed that).
Real, viable, certifiable evidence, written or otherwise, would certainly have emerged by now.
Too many people and too much paperwork evidence would have come out.
And, if they were real, why aren't there any around now? PROVEABLE "saucers"!

Ah! Government conspiracy! :wink:

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Re: "Haunebu" & "Vril" flying saucers

Post by Ironmachine » 28 Feb 2010 12:54

Don't worry, Grünherz. I just asked because, if he is the author of that book, a look at his work would show his "quite a lot of evidence" and the "weight" of his "facts", so saving others many hours of argumenting.
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Re: "Haunebu" & "Vril" flying saucers

Post by HenryS » 02 Mar 2010 04:07

Ironmachine wrote:Don't worry, Grünherz. I just asked because, if he is the author of that book, a look at his work would show his "quite a lot of evidence" and the "weight" of his "facts", so saving others many hours of argumenting.
Regards.
So, does this you want to side-track the issue now? How about just answering the simple questions I posed?

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Re: "Haunebu" & "Vril" flying saucers

Post by phylo_roadking » 02 Mar 2010 04:14

homopolar generators
I have a VERY questionable picture in my mind now... :lol:

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Re: "Haunebu" & "Vril" flying saucers

Post by HenryS » 02 Mar 2010 05:20

phylo_roadking wrote:
homopolar generators
I have a VERY questionable picture in my mind now... :lol:
They are also called Faraday Discs or N-machines. Nikola Tesla patented one: US Patent Number: 406,968. These are the electric generators which produce the appropriate current characteristics for rail guns. The Germans produced two models of rail gun during the war.

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Re: "Haunebu" & "Vril" flying saucers

Post by Ironmachine » 02 Mar 2010 08:42

HenryS wrote:So, does this you want to side-track the issue now? How about just answering the simple questions I posed?
Trying to explain something to that Henry Stevens, if he really believes what he writes, would be a complete loss of time. If he does not believes what he writes, but just has found a quick way to make money, then there would be nothing to explain.
Come on, just a look to his publisher's webpage quickly shows what is all this about.

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Re: "Haunebu" & "Vril" flying saucers

Post by stellung » 02 Mar 2010 18:30

It is very sad that those who do not understand the publishing business make rude remarks about quick money. I suggest they contact their favorite authors and ask them how much quick money they make.

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Re: "Haunebu" & "Vril" flying saucers

Post by LWD » 02 Mar 2010 19:43

A quickly written, poorly researched, sensationalist book could well represent quick money and be completely uncorrellated with the favorite authors of most of the readers of this forum.

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