38 cm barrels on a pier in bad shape

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38 cm barrels on a pier in bad shape

Post by Valtoro » 28 Dec 2006 00:22

....And the result is this:

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The 38 cm placed at MKB 6/ 501 Nötteröy was after the war sent back to France. However there were some problems. During the transfer in 1947, the guns were moved to Toensberg harbour. The guns weighed according to the article 130 tons and the 48-wheels waggons used to transport the guns weighed 60 tons. This weight made a heavy strain on the old pier that eventually collapsed during the night and plunged the guns into the harbour bassin.

Later the french ship "Garonme" and the floating crane "Goliat" managed later to raise the guns and waggons.

And the lesson is? Check the harbour facilities before placing a 38 cm gun on them!

From: http://www-bib.hive.no/tekster/tunsberg ... kap02.html

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Post by jopaerya » 28 Dec 2006 10:58

Hi Valtoro

Nice story , the French were eager to get the 38 cm guns
back for the battleship Jean Bart they even send extra ships .
On your photo there is a "Schwerlastfahrzeug" with 24 wheels.

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Re: 38 cm barrels on a pier in bad shape

Post by jopaerya » 20 Jan 2011 10:18

Hello

Found a French document with the barrel numbers of the 38 cm K.M.36/35 (f)
As you can see the barrels 1-3-7- were in M.K.B. Notteroy and barrel 5 was at Le Havre ,
the barrels 2 and 8 were stil in Germany .

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Re: 38 cm barrels on a pier in bad shape

Post by Harpoon » 20 Jan 2011 13:06

Nice find, Jopaerya
I plan to build a Sketchup 3D model of a Vardaas emplacement after present projects are finished and correct serial is always a bonus.

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Re: 38 cm barrels on a pier in bad shape

Post by Manuferey » 21 Jan 2011 00:01

jopaerya wrote: [...] 38 cm K.M.36/35 (f) [...]


Jos,

In a list of guns of the Kriegsmarine dated 12.2.43 that you had posted on this forum, there is no (f) on the designation. :? See below.

Was it a typo on the list? Do other German documents show the (f)?

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Re: 38 cm barrels on a pier in bad shape

Post by jopaerya » 22 Jan 2011 09:46

Hello Emmanuel

Some documents give the gun a ( frz ) or franz ) no (f) so far . Please not the bat. list from E.E. no (f)
viewtopic.php?f=70&t=79730&hilit=oslofjord

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Re: 38 cm barrels on a pier in bad shape

Post by Manuferey » 22 Jan 2011 22:06

Thank you very much, Jos.

I wonder if the reason for the Germans not to add an (f) is that they actually mounted the French barrel on a German-designed carriage ("Schießgerüst C.39"), the same one as for the 40,6 cm SK C/34. Therefore, the only thing French was the barrel.

I see a parallel in the designation rule with the 7,62 cm Pak 36 with no "(r)" or the 7,5 cm Pak97/38 with no "(f)". :idea:

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Re: 38 cm barrels on a pier in bad shape

Post by jopaerya » 03 Sep 2014 15:51

A other picture from after the war from Kystfort Forum from the 38 cm barrels .

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Re: 38 cm barrels on a pier in bad shape

Post by jopaerya » 02 Apr 2015 19:27

These should be the gun turrets of the Jean Bart ?? at St Nazaire ( Chantiers de Penhoet ) according to the Ebay caption .

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Re: 38 cm barrels on a pier in bad shape

Post by Dili » 06 Apr 2015 20:09

I don't think so, Jean Bart class battleships had 4 gun turrets, this one appears to have 3. Also looking at human size i would say these are probably 152mm turrets

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Re: 38 cm barrels on a pier in bad shape

Post by jopaerya » 06 Apr 2015 20:37

Thanks Dili

I was thinking the same , never trust Ebay captions.

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Re: 38 cm barrels on a pier in bad shape

Post by jopaerya » 11 Aug 2018 08:02

Found the numbers of the German Bettungsschiessgerüste C.39 of the French 38 cm gun .

B. Le Havre had 23-34-35
B. Oslofjord had 24-25-36

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Re: 38 cm barrels on a pier in bad shape

Post by ROLAND1369 » 11 Aug 2018 13:14

The Jean Bart had 152 mm inch dual purpose secondary turrets not fully fitted(wing turrets) on sailing and these appear to be the ones shown. However the french had a new class of light cruiser under construction, De Grasse, and these could have also been for these ships.

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Re: 38 cm barrels on a pier in bad shape

Post by Valtoro » 11 Aug 2018 13:56

From a norwegian army list from 1945 with details regarding the barrels. The roman numbers (i-ii-iii) refers to each of the 38 cm gun positions. (Riksarkivet).
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