German shelters in Pskov region, Russia - a Regelbau type?

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Re: German shelters in Pskov region, Russia - a Regelbau type?

Post by Eugenius » 22 Jul 2021 12:57

Window on another side:

DSCF1599 Окно с другой стороны.JPG

Shelter view through the window:

DSCF1604 Убежище.JPG

View through the embrasure, a passage to the shelter is visible:

DSCF1609 Вид через амбразуру, виден проход в убежище.JPG

Anti-rebound ledges (or what is the right term for that?) of embrasure:

DSCF1611 Противорикошетные уступы.JPG
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Re: German shelters in Pskov region, Russia - a Regelbau type?

Post by Eugenius » 22 Jul 2021 13:01

Another pillbox at 58.564, 31.28289:

DSCF1625 Немецкий ДОТ, 58.564, 31.28289.JPG
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Entrance:

DSCF1634 Вход.JPG

Embrasure:

DSCF1629 Амбразура.JPG

A question: there were bean-shaped hollows on the corners - what are they for?

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Re: German shelters in Pskov region, Russia - a Regelbau type?

Post by Eugenius » 22 Jul 2021 13:44

Let's move from Novgorod towards Staraya Russa. A typical Ringstand at 58.01157, 31.29733:

DSCF1635 Немецкий тобрук, 58.01157, 31.29733.JPG
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The interesting detail is the protective wall in front of entrance:

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A shelter is located just in 40 m, it also has protective wall. Fully flooded:

DSCF1643 Немецкое убежище, 58.01137, 31.29792.JPG
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Re: German shelters in Pskov region, Russia - a Regelbau type?

Post by Eugenius » 22 Jul 2021 14:02

Quite an interesting bunker at 58.00414, 31.31981:

DSCF1649 Предположительно немецкий бункер связи, 58.00414, 31.31981.JPG

There was a vertical hollow in one wall with steel pipe inside. Antenna lead?

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The bunker has the name cast in concrete above the entrance - Mottenburg:

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Google said there is a pub with this name in Hannover. Probably the constructors visited that pub before the war.

Entrance:

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Re: German shelters in Pskov region, Russia - a Regelbau type?

Post by Eugenius » 22 Jul 2021 14:10

Internal view. There are 2 niches on walls. Communication center? Command bunker?

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Unknown niches on the entrance side:

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Typical Ringstand in Staraya Russa at 57.99027, 31.37345:

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Note steel beams of the shelter ceiling visible:

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Re: German shelters in Pskov region, Russia - a Regelbau type?

Post by Eugenius » 22 Jul 2021 14:14

Elements:

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Another Ringstand at 57.98352, 31.36732:

DSCF1704 Немецкий тобрук, 57.98352, 31.36732.JPG

Crew shelter in 25 m from the Ringstand. The words on the last picture mean "War echo".

DSCF1711 Немецкое убежище, 57.98375, 31.36731.JPG
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I would be glad to get your answers and comments.
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Re: German shelters in Pskov region, Russia - a Regelbau type?

Post by TH » 22 Jul 2021 14:22

Eugenius wrote:
22 Jul 2021 12:02
A question: what those square niches were for? I saw many Ringstands, but never met such niches:
Looks like the usual metal rail (Führungsschiene) was unavailable when the bunker was poured.
The niches are for embedding the rail's anchors into the concrete.

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Re: German shelters in Pskov region, Russia - a Regelbau type?

Post by Eugenius » 22 Jul 2021 14:35

TH wrote:
22 Jul 2021 14:22

Looks like the usual metal rail (Führungsschiene) was unavailable when the bunker was poured.
The niches are for embedding the rail's anchors into the concrete.
But there is metal rail on the second opening of the bunker - it's quite standard and narrow, but the niches are located much lower. I can't imagine how they might help mount the rail.

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Re: German shelters in Pskov region, Russia - a Regelbau type?

Post by TH » 22 Jul 2021 20:43

This is what I mean. Note the anchor.
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Re: German shelters in Pskov region, Russia - a Regelbau type?

Post by Eugenius » 22 Jul 2021 22:34

TH wrote:
22 Jul 2021 20:43
This is what I mean. Note the anchor.
Anyway, I do not see how anchors might be fixed into those niches - they are located much lower than the ring, and there is a layer of concrete between niches and the ring.

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Re: German shelters in Pskov region, Russia - a Regelbau type?

Post by TH » 24 Jul 2021 15:49

The rail shown on the drawing would have been placed directly above those niches.
It is a standard element for a Ringstand, although not always present.
The special Ringstand mountings for periscopes or machine guns were placed onto this rail.

As you can see below, there is a gap between rail and wall.
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Re: German shelters in Pskov region, Russia - a Regelbau type?

Post by herring » 24 Jul 2021 22:14

It seems, that in example in Novgorod we have 2 steel rings - one installed on the top, and another not installed, in lower position.

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