L 409B (sic).
L 409B (sic).
Hi,
I have come across the L 409B in the BfM for Denmark. They were planned at Fanø, but never built. I have never seen a drawing of this bunker and kind of tended to dismiss this entry as a possible typo. I was then just resently having a look at this map:
http://www.gyges.dk/Festungsmassig%20Stellung.pdf
and suddenly noticed, that it specifies L 409B as one of the std. Flak bunkers in this type of Stellung. Does anyone have a drawing of a L 409B and has it ever been found for real?
bregds
SES
I have come across the L 409B in the BfM for Denmark. They were planned at Fanø, but never built. I have never seen a drawing of this bunker and kind of tended to dismiss this entry as a possible typo. I was then just resently having a look at this map:
http://www.gyges.dk/Festungsmassig%20Stellung.pdf
and suddenly noticed, that it specifies L 409B as one of the std. Flak bunkers in this type of Stellung. Does anyone have a drawing of a L 409B and has it ever been found for real?
bregds
SES
Hello All
I have one drawing of the L 409 B , this is from BAMA RH 11 III/142 K 27
some types are the same as the bunkers we know in the L-serie , but there
are also types that don't match with any Luftwaffe bunkers we know .
For example the L 414 "Brunnenstand mit Zapfstelle" ???
As you can see all the L 409 normal , A and B are called "Hochstanden"
Regards Jos
I have one drawing of the L 409 B , this is from BAMA RH 11 III/142 K 27
some types are the same as the bunkers we know in the L-serie , but there
are also types that don't match with any Luftwaffe bunkers we know .
For example the L 414 "Brunnenstand mit Zapfstelle" ???
As you can see all the L 409 normal , A and B are called "Hochstanden"
Regards Jos
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Hi Jos,
I shall not conceal that I was trusting you to come up with something tangible. Thank you. What puzzles me is, that the designations are "lower case" a and b, as opposed to "upper case" A and B. In the BfM for Denmark the designations L 409A and L 409a are used at random for the same bunker. You seem to have a different L 409a. If I interpret your drawings correctly these bunkers had a Hoch-Stand on top of the bunker with a number of steps leading up to the gun position. Is that correct?
bregds
SES
I shall not conceal that I was trusting you to come up with something tangible. Thank you. What puzzles me is, that the designations are "lower case" a and b, as opposed to "upper case" A and B. In the BfM for Denmark the designations L 409A and L 409a are used at random for the same bunker. You seem to have a different L 409a. If I interpret your drawings correctly these bunkers had a Hoch-Stand on top of the bunker with a number of steps leading up to the gun position. Is that correct?
bregds
SES
Hello Ses
Yes , you are right there are 2 levels and on top
the bettung , on the L 409 and the L 409 B or b .
There are some bunkers , also Hochstanden , that looks
like this version at La Verdon ( Gironde ) . As I already
told you I don't know if we can trust this drawings .
I will look for some pictures of the Hochstanden in La Verdon .
Regards Jos
Yes , you are right there are 2 levels and on top
the bettung , on the L 409 and the L 409 B or b .
There are some bunkers , also Hochstanden , that looks
like this version at La Verdon ( Gironde ) . As I already
told you I don't know if we can trust this drawings .
I will look for some pictures of the Hochstanden in La Verdon .
Regards Jos
Hello
As promised the photo's of the Hochstanden at
La Verdon Gi 239 , according to the German
buildingprogram there were 2 X L 409 , 1 X L 410 ,
L 411 , L 413 and a 564 ( Wasserbehalter 20 m3 )
at this Stpkt. in the Gironde-Süd .
There is one drawing a bunker from this Stpkt that
looks like a L 411 Hochstand in the book Hitler's
Atlantic Wall from Colin Partridge page 102 .
Regards Jos
As promised the photo's of the Hochstanden at
La Verdon Gi 239 , according to the German
buildingprogram there were 2 X L 409 , 1 X L 410 ,
L 411 , L 413 and a 564 ( Wasserbehalter 20 m3 )
at this Stpkt. in the Gironde-Süd .
There is one drawing a bunker from this Stpkt that
looks like a L 411 Hochstand in the book Hitler's
Atlantic Wall from Colin Partridge page 102 .
Regards Jos
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- Hochstand 2 Gi 329.JPG (64.68 KiB) Viewed 1758 times
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- Hochstand Gi 329.JPG (48.68 KiB) Viewed 1757 times
Hello Ses and Jos,
I try to remember the source, I could be a possibility that there is a reference in the ‘Bleu Rolf’. I remember also something else, so if it has nothing to do with the emplacement on the roof, it is possible that it has something to do with the Festungmassige characteristics of the building. With or without an entrance defence or something like this. Maybe this will help … or its makes it more difficult
Greetings,
Ruud Pols
I try to remember the source, I could be a possibility that there is a reference in the ‘Bleu Rolf’. I remember also something else, so if it has nothing to do with the emplacement on the roof, it is possible that it has something to do with the Festungmassige characteristics of the building. With or without an entrance defence or something like this. Maybe this will help … or its makes it more difficult
Greetings,
Ruud Pols