L 409B (sic).

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L 409B (sic).

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Post by SES » 19 Jun 2006, 10:23

Hi,
I have come across the L 409B in the BfM for Denmark. They were planned at Fanø, but never built. I have never seen a drawing of this bunker and kind of tended to dismiss this entry as a possible typo. I was then just resently having a look at this map:
http://www.gyges.dk/Festungsmassig%20Stellung.pdf
and suddenly noticed, that it specifies L 409B as one of the std. Flak bunkers in this type of Stellung. Does anyone have a drawing of a L 409B and has it ever been found for real?
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Post by moonraker » 19 Jun 2006, 10:48

hello SES,
yes for the l409A on my sector AKO 15 and AKO 7 much of bunker of standard, but for the L409B????... never look.I will get information if it exist a plan.(grundiss)
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Post by jopaerya » 19 Jun 2006, 17:00

Hi Ses and Etienne

In the same serie there is also a drawing
of a Schwere Flakbatterie with a L 401 B ,
If you see the plan it's looks like the L 401 A
but who knows ????? The drawings are made
fairly late 10-1944 .

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Post by moonraker » 19 Jun 2006, 17:39

hello jos
I will ask has who you know I think that I has information it above
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Post by jopaerya » 19 Jun 2006, 19:15

Hello All

I have one drawing of the L 409 B , this is from BAMA RH 11 III/142 K 27
some types are the same as the bunkers we know in the L-serie , but there
are also types that don't match with any Luftwaffe bunkers we know .
For example the L 414 "Brunnenstand mit Zapfstelle" ???
As you can see all the L 409 normal , A and B are called "Hochstanden"

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Post by SES » 19 Jun 2006, 19:36

Hi Jos,
I shall not conceal that I was trusting you to come up with something tangible. Thank you. What puzzles me is, that the designations are "lower case" a and b, as opposed to "upper case" A and B. In the BfM for Denmark the designations L 409A and L 409a are used at random for the same bunker. You seem to have a different L 409a. If I interpret your drawings correctly these bunkers had a Hoch-Stand on top of the bunker with a number of steps leading up to the gun position. Is that correct?
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Post by jopaerya » 19 Jun 2006, 20:05

Hello Ses

Yes , you are right there are 2 levels and on top
the bettung , on the L 409 and the L 409 B or b .
There are some bunkers , also Hochstanden , that looks
like this version at La Verdon ( Gironde ) . As I already
told you I don't know if we can trust this drawings .
I will look for some pictures of the Hochstanden in La Verdon .

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Post by SES » 20 Jun 2006, 17:53

Hi,
I have now been advised that 3 L 409B were planned in Denmark and one was built. Now I am anxiously awaiting documentation.
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Post by jopaerya » 20 Jun 2006, 19:39

Hello

As promised the photo's of the Hochstanden at
La Verdon Gi 239 , according to the German
buildingprogram there were 2 X L 409 , 1 X L 410 ,
L 411 , L 413 and a 564 ( Wasserbehalter 20 m3 )
at this Stpkt. in the Gironde-Süd .
There is one drawing a bunker from this Stpkt that
looks like a L 411 Hochstand in the book Hitler's
Atlantic Wall from Colin Partridge page 102 .

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Post by RuPo » 20 Jun 2006, 22:38

I don´t rember the source but I thought that the upper or lowercase A (only by the Luftwaffe) mean that the emplacement on the roof was standig or verstarkt feldmassig.
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Post by SES » 21 Jun 2006, 09:08

Hi Ruud,
The best explanation I have heard UFN. Would be grateful if you could find documentation.
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Post by jopaerya » 21 Jun 2006, 10:26

Hi Ruud and Ses

That could be the explination , but what about
the normal L 409 and the L 409b ?????
I hope that Ses come up with a drawing of the
L 409b or B .

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Post by SES » 21 Jun 2006, 10:29

Hi Jos,
I have just been advised that my source was mistaken. He now says that only 2 L 409Bs were planned and none built. He was refering to a L 409A in the same site which was built. :cry:
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Post by RuPo » 22 Jun 2006, 13:31

Hello Ses and Jos,
I try to remember the source, I could be a possibility that there is a reference in the ‘Bleu Rolf’. I remember also something else, so if it has nothing to do with the emplacement on the roof, it is possible that it has something to do with the Festungmassige characteristics of the building. With or without an entrance defence or something like this. Maybe this will help … or its makes it more difficult ;-)
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#15

Post by jopaerya » 22 Jun 2006, 19:14

Hello All

I think we can't answer this question
100% , still a mystery the L 409B .

Regards Jos

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