Südwall commandpost

[jopaerya]

Hi Alain

Do you think it's a Luftwaffe bunker , because your photoname is ( Cap ) Janet flak ??

Regards Jos

[Chazette]

Hello Jos is a simple caption not Flak
for me they are two bunker the same in front of and for me is KM bunker

view from mars 1944

best regards
AC from France

[Chazette]

view from 1964 one is destroyed

[jopaerya]

Thanks again

The shape of the rooms looks a little bit like the M 160 , so Kriegmarine is possible .

Drawing = a good friend

Regards Jos

[Chazette]

is a good idée but so bigger
with those 2 bunkers behind the UBB, i think they are 3 in total
you put this SHM plan

this Bunker is the same but the 2 Tobruk are back
this is the third same bunker
the picture of this bunker

localisation Ost UBB

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this is number 50/51/52

[Chazette]

this is number 50/51/52 on the map

the first and second bunker are back of UBB near the EWerk Bunker
(you see only one KM Bunker on this map)

[Chazette]

perhaps LS KM Bunker typical for Marseille !?
bye

[jopaerya]

Hello Alain

Thanks for sharing this great information and picture about this typical bunker .
The combination with the bunker and the tobruks makes it's not logical for L.S.
but everything is possible . There must be a connection with the U-boot bunker ??

Regards Jos

[Chazette]

no direct connection but i don't know all are destroyed !!!

[jopaerya]

Hi Alain

I have seen some picture's from the inside of this bunker , so the must be minimal one left .

Regards Jos

[dirk Peeters]

Jos look good at the picture and the SHM plan ....

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we know the inacuracy of SHM plans
But something looks strange
Look at the photograph
the left Tobruk is much smaller than the right one one is for sure a normal Offener beobachter , but the other onr is maybe an Ic 116 or another variant we dont know
Then another remark
these bunkers must be constructed in the time of the 600 series (they cant be like 500 series)
That we see clearly on the drawning
Dirk

[dirk Peeters]

The only bunker i can find (at the moment ... 656 , one entrance modified ....
i don t say it has any connection ... but the room has a remarquably similarity with a 656
(7 m 70 x 3 m 90)

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Dirk

[jopaerya]

Hello Dirk

The 656 is also a good option , according to the Typenheft of Rolf there were 14 x 656 build in the A.O.K. 19

Regards Jos

[dirk Peeters]

On the last drawning the sas is almost exact that of a 656
We don t know many twins like that , 2 x 622 and a few more ....
but they have been planned to be constructed like that because of the 80 cm wall between them
Dirk

[dirk Peeters]

looks like the germans love to change the 656
here one in holland (BRV)

Dirk