Flakturm und Luftschutz bunkers

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Re: Flakturm und Luftschutz bunkers

Post by Grzesio » 01 Jul 2014 19:24

After german wartime technical documents -3° is correct. :wink:
A different document gives the Z.F.20 E as optical sight for direct fire but I have never seen it on a 12,8 so far. :|
Do you mean 12,8 cm Flak 40 or 12,8 cm Flakzwilling 40?
I've never seen a socket for an optical sight on a Flakzwilling, while it is clearly present on the 12,8 cm Flak 40. I also think, layers were just sitting too low to see anything over the Flakturm parapet.

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Re: Flakturm und Luftschutz bunkers

Post by Paul D » 01 Jul 2014 19:48

Hello gents,

I have recently returned from a short break in Germany. on the train just outside Hannover nordstadt I spotted what I can now assume were 2 luftshutz bunkers. I would appreciate if any one has any information/photos on these. I can only assume they were for the use of railway crews.

thanks in advance

Paul

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Re: Flakturm und Luftschutz bunkers

Post by Eax-E » 01 Jul 2014 20:02

Hi Grzesio,
I meant the single barreled. The zwilling = 0 /+87°.
Nice info, could you circle the socket for the Z.F.20E on a 12,8 cm Flak 40 pic ?

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Re: Flakturm und Luftschutz bunkers

Post by Grzesio » 01 Jul 2014 21:23

Nice info, could you circle the socket for the Z.F.20E on a 12,8 cm Flak 40 pic ?
Here you are. The whole sight socket is market with the red circle, the red dot inside denotes the place where the actual ZF would be mounted. The red line marks the coupling between the sight and the elevation layer's Uebertragungsgeraet 37 receiver (as opposed to the 8,8 cm Flak L/56 and 10,5 cm Flak, there was apparently no separate mechanical indicator of elevation angle for direct fire).
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Re: Flakturm und Luftschutz bunkers

Post by Eax-E » 02 Jul 2014 14:54

Hi Grzesio,
Thanks for your educational message.
Indeed, I couldn't find it on my some pictures were the device is lacking. I have few docs about the Übertragungsgerät receiver mounted on the 12,8, I'll have a look to see weather a mechanical indicator is mentionned.

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Re: Flakturm und Luftschutz bunkers

Post by wartourist » 03 Jul 2014 10:12

Gentlemen,

Firstly I will admit that the photo from Humboldthain (which I have not seen before) seem to suggest that negative elevation of the Flakzwilling was out of the question. And then again; it's hard to detect an angle of only -3 degrees at this close range. And another thing; was the Zoo Flakturm of a slightly different design, with the rampart being just a little lower?

As to aiming, is it conceivable that the rangefinder on the Leitturm could engage ground targets?

Bear in mind that if we end up with the conclusion that the Zoo tower was in fact not capable of hitting Russian tanks on the Molkte Brücke, we will - in all modesty - be re-writing history :D :D

Dan

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Post by jopaerya » 03 Jul 2014 10:40

Hello Dan

The Tiergarten Flaktürm was a socalled Gefechtstürm I with a round command post ,
here a picture of this type as you can see the rampart is the same height .

Photo = Benny Vermeire

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Re: Flakturm und Luftschutz bunkers

Post by Eax-E » 23 Aug 2014 17:56

wartourist wrote:Gentlemen,

Firstly I will admit that the photo from Humboldthain (which I have not seen before) seem to suggest that negative elevation of the Flakzwilling was out of the question. And then again; it's hard to detect an angle of only -3 degrees at this close range. And another thing; was the Zoo Flakturm of a slightly different design, with the rampart being just a little lower?

As to aiming, is it conceivable that the rangefinder on the Leitturm could engage ground targets?

Bear in mind that if we end up with the conclusion that the Zoo tower was in fact not capable of hitting Russian tanks on the Molkte Brücke, we will - in all modesty - be re-writing history :D :D

Dan
Hello Dan,

Just found it, for the 12,8 cm Zw it's 0 to +87° according to the book "Die deutschen Geschütze". Given who were the autors and the fact that they let empty cases when they don't have the information, I would say that the figures are reliable.

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Arthur

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Re: Flakturm und Luftschutz bunkers

Post by kstdk » 23 Aug 2014 19:16

Hello

Paul, the best place for bunkers / Luftschutz in Germany is here, hope you speak german. You have to be a member to see pictures though!

http://www.luftschutzbunker-forum.com/s ... n-Hannover
Paul D wrote:Hello gents,
I have recently returned from a short break in Germany. on the train just outside Hannover nordstadt I spotted what I can now assume were 2 luftshutz bunkers. I would appreciate if any one has any information/photos on these. I can only assume they were for the use of railway crews.
thanks in advancePaul
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Re: Flakturm und Luftschutz bunkers

Post by TiesG » 01 Sep 2014 06:46

Found some nice Vienna Flakturm pics on ebay.
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Re: Flakturm und Luftschutz bunkers

Post by kstdk » 01 Sep 2014 09:34

Hello

That would be the Stiftskaserne Gefechtsturm and also the Leitturm (in the City).

Nice pictures.

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Kurt
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Re: Flakturm und Luftschutz bunkers

Post by jopaerya » 31 Oct 2014 22:29

Luftschutz bunker in Krefeld , photo from Ebay .

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Re: Flakturm und Luftschutz bunkers

Post by jopaerya » 31 Mar 2015 12:48

A bunker in Hannover used as local command post of the N.S.D.A.P.

Photo = Ebay

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Re: Flakturm und Luftschutz bunkers

Post by Paul D » 30 Apr 2015 11:26

Kurt,

thanks for the guidance and sorry for the delay,
Much to my regret my german is pretty poor, but i will look into this more.

REgards
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Re: Flakturm und Luftschutz bunkers

Post by jopaerya » 01 Sep 2015 20:11

Nice camouflage on this Luftschütz bunker , photo is from Ebay .

Regards Jos
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