french railway gun

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Re: french railway gun

Post by MLW » 14 May 2016 20:34

Thanks for the information. But what could an "emergency" mount be referring to? It was used on at least six models of Schneider-built guns, of which one - the 24 cm G Mle 1916 - had 80 built.

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Re: french railway gun

Post by ROLAND1369 » 15 May 2016 03:02

In this case it would mean a non standard weapon system constructed of obsolete guns removed from coastal defense batteries or ships with quickly constructed mounts which were not developed thru the normal research process and which did not possess the desired characteristics, future utility and which were not expected to be used beyond the current conflict, which most if not all of them were. The same term was used in WW II for the 95 mm and other coastal batteries constructed on wooden bases with sandbag emplacements.

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Re: french railway gun

Post by MLW » 15 May 2016 12:53

It appears to me that all the "emergency" mount guns were built by Schneider in 1917and 1918 in calibres varying from 19cm to 300cm and are older coast artillery pieces. Otherwise, I have not seen other similarities yet.

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Re: french railway gun

Post by ALVF » 15 May 2016 15:39

Hello,

The "Programme d'Artillerie de Circonstance" is dated 22 august 1916, it is foreseen for the building of simplified railway guns using many old coast guns with existing hundred thousands of big shells. The building is foreseen for quick delivery but because of the shortage of labour and steel, the priority is given to heavy guns (155 C, 155 GPF and others modern guns) the "matériels de circonstance" were in service only in 1917 and 1918.
On 24 februar 1917, more simple railway guns were ordered, the "matériels de fortune", with more simple design and crude workmanship. In 1917-1918, the priority is given to "Tanks" and modern heavy guns. So, the "matériels de fortune" were also slow in building, the first models were in service only in 1918.
These guns were chiefly used as "artillerie de position" on the frontline and some were given to Portuguese Artillery and to A.E.F.
All "matériels de circonstance" and "matériels de fortune" were condemned in 1923 and scrapped.
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Re: french railway gun

Post by Sturm78 » 25 May 2016 10:52

Hi all,

320mm Mle 1870-93 (or Mle 70-30)...I think

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Re: french railway gun

Post by MLW » 26 May 2016 11:22

I am wondering about the Obusier de 200mm Mle Perou which stands out as the only 200mm artillery piece. The two guns were manufactured for Peru by Schneider and never delivered, but even for an export artillery piece, 200mm is an strange caliber. As fas as I know, no other guns - naval, coastal, railway, heavy artillery, etc. were made in 200mm. Any ideas why the Perou obusier was 200mm?

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Re: french railway gun

Post by morrisc8GS » 27 May 2016 17:45

Two more that came in the post.
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Re: french railway gun

Post by Sturm78 » 04 Jun 2016 20:19

Hi all,

400mm Mle 1915-16 rail howitzer:

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Re: french railway gun

Post by jopaerya » 07 Jun 2016 20:00

According to the Ebay photo caption a gun of the E 692 at Chateauneuf , should be a 27.4 cm K (E) 592 (f) .

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Re: french railway gun

Post by Manuferey » 13 Sep 2016 00:52

ALVF wrote:Hello,

The side-view of the tube of the gun depicted by the photograph is not a 340 mm modèle 1912 and the mounting of the gun is also different.
This gun is a "370 mm modèle 1875-79 sur affût à glissement Schneider".
In a french archiv dated 1947, with a list of french ALVF guns recovered in Germany and given to France, I read many guns and especially 26 guns in very bad state, only good for scrapping.In this list of 26 guns is a "370 modèle 1875-79, AT n° 3070, volée tronçonnée...etc...".
"volée tronçonnée" means "tube cut into fragments".
I think that this gun was cut by the germans to recover steel in 1945.
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Guy François.
(See photo described by ALVF above on page 42 of this thread).

Here is a picture of two "370 mm modèle 1875-79 sur affût à glissement Schneider" in a destroyed railway depot: one in front, the other behind facing the other way. Two US soldiers are visible on top of the first gun. The picture could have been taken in Germany.
370_mm1875-79destroyeddepot.jpg
source: http://www.worldwarphotos.info/gallery/ ... lroad-gun/

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Re: french railway gun

Post by jopaerya » 13 Sep 2016 07:51

Nice picture Emmanuel :thumbsup:

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Re: french railway gun

Post by Manuferey » 22 Oct 2016 20:16

Another picture of the 27,4 cm Kanone (E) 592 (f) (ex-274 mm Mle 1917) captured at Livron, France, in August 1944:
274LivronUS.jpg
Source: http://www.warfoto.com/3rdsocietyphotos2ww2.htm

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Re: french railway gun

Post by MLW » 26 Oct 2016 13:14

Does anyone know why the 'Canon 240mm Mle 1903 TR sur affut-truck Mle 1914' and the 'Mortier de 293mm "Danois" sur affut-truck Mle 1914' built in in 1915 and 1916 were not classified by the French Army as ALVF?

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Re: french railway gun

Post by Sturm78 » 16 Nov 2016 20:24

Hi all,

370mm Mle 1875-79

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Re: french railway gun

Post by jopaerya » 23 Nov 2016 09:50

A list from 29-11-1944 from NARA , Regards Jos
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