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Re: french railway gun

Post by Manuferey » 25 Nov 2016 03:22

Jos,

Thanks for posted this interesting document. There's a piece of information in it that I have been looking for : the "beute" designation of the Italian 381/40 railway gun namely

38 cm K(E) 722(i). :D

The 721(i) mentioned in the column "Munitionlage" is:
38 cm sH 721(i) = 380mm Howitzer 380/15 M 16 Sk, Italy (ex-Austro-Hungarian)
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 7#p1955577
(also from Kennblatter Fremden Gerats D 50/8b - see:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... s#p1618559)

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Re: french railway gun

Post by Manuferey » 25 Nov 2016 17:33

Manuferey wrote:The location: Eberbach in Baden-Württemberg.
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The same gun (340 mm Mle 1912 à glissement - 34 cm K.(E) 673(f)) as on our posts of September and October 2014 on page 34 of this thread:
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Caption: 84th Division Captured German Railroad Gun in Eberbach, Germany
https://84thinfantrydivisionphotoswordp ... ny/page/2/

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Re: french railway gun

Post by Manuferey » 01 Dec 2016 01:39

Manuferey wrote:Here is a picture from a member of the Allied Control Commission, Alf Curne, showing an overturned 320 mm Mle 1870-93 or 1870-30. This picture is part of a series with many pictures of the destroyed railroad center of Soest, in the state of North Rhine- Westphalia in Germany in 1945. So, it is probable that the picture of the railway gun was taken in Soest as well. :idea:

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/13150208@N ... artillery/

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Another picture of the same gun. This one taken by a US soldier of the 743rd Railway Operating Battalion. No indication of location.
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Source: https://get.google.com/albumarchive/115 ... source=pwa

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Re: french railway gun

Post by Sturm78 » 27 Dec 2016 23:32

Hi all,

I am not sure about this gun: 274mm Mle 1893-96 ??

Image from Ebay
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Re: french railway gun

Post by Manuferey » 28 Dec 2016 00:10

The soldier looks like a German in WW1. Therefore, I think that the gun on the picture is one of three guns captured by the Germans on May 27, 1918: one 274 mm Mle 1893 and two 285 mm Mle 1917 "à glissement" (274 mm Mle 1893-96 réalésé en 285 mm en 1917) (see page 39 of Tome 2 of "Les canons de la Victoire 1914-1918" by Guy François)

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Re: french railway gun

Post by Sturm78 » 28 Dec 2016 20:23

Emmanuel wrote
The soldier looks like a German in WW1. Therefore, I think that the gun on the picture is one of three guns captured by the Germans on May 27, 1918: one 274 mm Mle 1893 and two 285 mm Mle 1917 "à glissement" (274 mm Mle 1893-96 réalésé en 285 mm en 1917) (see page 39 of Tome 2 of "Les canons de la Victoire 1914-1918" by Guy François)
Thank you for your help, Emmanuel :wink:

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Re: french railway gun

Post by Sturm78 » 16 Apr 2017 09:37

Hi all,

An image from Ebay: I am not sure about the exact model...

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Re: french railway gun

Post by ALVF » 17 Apr 2017 14:14

Hello,

It is a 274 mm modèle 1917 on sliding mount Schneider.
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Re: french railway gun

Post by Sturm78 » 17 Apr 2017 20:15

Thanks, Guy

It was difficult to insure for me from this angle....

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Re: french railway gun

Post by EPOCH3 » 11 May 2017 21:16

Hi - I was looking through some French manuals I have and came across the following original reference material to railway pieces fielded by French as of 1917. I thought it might be useful to this thread.

I also included the reference pages for the narrow gauge 0.6m equipment as well.

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Re: french railway gun

Post by AvB » 30 Jun 2017 11:10

Is it correct this is an Obusier de 240 mm modèle 1903?
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Re: french railway gun

Post by Manuferey » 19 Aug 2017 14:11

Manuferey wrote:The location: Eberbach in Baden-Württemberg.
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Another US picture of the captured gun (340 mm Mle 1912 à glissement - 34 cm K.(E) 673(f)):
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Source: http://www.henrycountytimes.com/html/ar ... nnews.html

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Re: french railway gun

Post by Manuferey » 03 Sep 2017 15:59

Two 28,5cm K(E) 605(f) - ex-French 285 mm mm Mle 1893-96 sur affût à berceau Schneider - somewhere in Germany after the war. The gun on the top picture has a broken barrel. The one on the bottom picture is No. P1035 that has been widely photographed by US soldiers (See Jos' post of 17 Feb 2011 in this thread: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 5#p1560085
[Railway gun ID][P1035])
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Source: “The Last Bugler – Experiences of a Private in the 79th Infantry Division, Europe, Wolrd War II” by Hubert O. Ranger. Merriam Press
http://www.merriam-press.com/thelastbugler.aspx

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Re: french railway gun

Post by ALVF » 03 Sep 2017 17:50

Hello,

In 1946-1947, three guns of this Schneider model "sur affût à berceau" were stored in railway yard for return to France in Appenweier (Germany) with many other french railway guns:
-P 1033: 285 mm modèle 1917 (ex-274 mm modèle 1893-96 rebored).
-P 1036: 288 mm since 1918 (former 285 mm in 1917 and former 274 mm modèle 1893-96 in 1915).
-P 1035: 285 mm modèle 1917 (former 274 mm modèle 1893-96 rebored).
Not all railway guns returned in France, only the guns in good shape, some in bad shap were destroyed in Germany.
The 285 and 288 guns were noted in bad shape (barrels and breechs).
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Re: french railway gun

Post by jopaerya » 03 Sep 2017 18:52

Thank you both for the photo's and information :thumbsup:

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