Unknow gun

jopaerya · Post by **jopaerya** » 15 Nov 2006 11:54

Who can help me , is this a gun or a part
of a gun ??? or even a heavy machine gun .

Regards Jos

JB XLH · Post by **JB XLH** » 15 Nov 2006 12:54

Hi Jos,

As far as I can tell it’s the lower half (buffer) of the Czechoslovakian 9cm kanon PL vz.12/20. The barrel is missing. It was also used by the Rumanians.

Jon.

jopaerya · Post by **jopaerya** » 15 Nov 2006 14:02

Hello Jon

I think that you are right , what we see on the picture
is only the retriever , the complete barrel is gone .

Regards and thanks Jos

The Edge · Post by **The Edge** » 15 Nov 2006 14:20

This lafette looks rather small for 9cm piece...

JB XLH · Post by **JB XLH** » 15 Nov 2006 14:57

Hi Edge,

I’m looking at a number of photographs of the weapon in question. It is the 9cm gun less barrel (note the barrel is only about twice the length of what is visible in Jos’s shot.
On what information to you make the statement “This lafette looks rather small for 9cm piece...”?
Please look at a photo of the gun named. Given your location I’m surprised you don’t recognise it.
Jon.

The Edge · Post by **The Edge** » 15 Nov 2006 16:02

My comment was based on:

1) Ignorance - I don't have a good photo of 9cm gun you mentioned + my tech data is at home.

2) Experience - I was number of times next to Skoda 7cm K10 naval gun (see photo attached) - it is approximatelly the same size as gun on photo.

I wasn't not trying to be a smart ass, just made a simple comment.

JB XLH · Post by **JB XLH** » 15 Nov 2006 16:21

Edge,

Fair enough, honest answer and an interesting Skoda gun to boot.
None the less the hand wheels and minor fittings show the original gun in question is the 9cm. I will have to improve my picture posting capabilities to improve my responses.
Jon.

jopaerya · Post by **jopaerya** » 15 Nov 2006 16:54

Hello Friends

Here 2 very small and blurry photo's from
first the 9 cm PL vz 12 ( for the sockel )
and the last from the 9 cm Pl vz 12/20 .

Photo's = A.A.guns from P.Chamberlain & T.Gander

Regards Jos

The Edge · Post by **The Edge** » 16 Nov 2006 11:16

Found data for Vz.12/20: Barrel length 4050mm (L/45), weight in action 6500 kg (from Ian V. Hogg).

(Hmm, that sounds like a big gun to me)

One photo from Italian site for M.12 ("9cmLFA45M12M16" found somewhere here: http://www.moesslang.net/kanonen.htm ) - based on the size of 90mm ammo shown, it could be the gun we're talking about (of course, WWI ancestor).

stril · Post by **stril** » 16 Nov 2006 12:21

Hello
I have not any knowledge about this gun, but i suggest looking at navy related items.
It seems to be quite a few parts missing on that gun, a shield ?, and the barrel etc.etc.I
dont think 90 mm is right either.
Just to get the idea what i think about ill add two links.
regards
stril
http://www.dockmuseum.org.uk/archive/br ... rs+pom+pom

http://www.dockmuseum.org.uk/archive/br ... =Field+Gun

JB XLH · Post by **JB XLH** » 16 Nov 2006 13:14

Guys,

The 9cm M12 originally designed by Skoda in 1919 was revised in 1920 and then sold to Jogoslavia, Rumania and Russia. The statistics you are quoting (Hogg) comes from the German captured Russian version 9cm Flak M.12(r) which had the 4meter barrel and a different buffer. Look at the photo Jos posted – the Rumanian PL vz.12/20 and his original post, it is the same gun.

Jon

The Edge · Post by **The Edge** » 17 Nov 2006 10:32

So Vz.12/20 is probably revised K12/K16 Naval gun?

Sounds OK for me.

Yugoslavia purchased only 83,5mm Vz.22 Hv. AA guns from Skoda (used only on Navy vessels - one light AA cruiser, one big destroyer, two auxiliary ships)

However, Yugoslavia used also a lot of inherited Austrohungarian naval guns - so probably 9cm guns mentioned were K12/16 naval guns used for AA role, not Vz.12/20.

stril · Post by **stril** » 17 Nov 2006 12:32

Hello

Look at the photo Jos posted – the Rumanian PL vz.12/20 and his original post, it is the same gun

I cant see that its the same gun.
Added a link to a picture of a 76 ItK/14. It is some things on this guns that match Jos first picture.
regards
stril
http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/76ItK14.jpg

The Edge · Post by **The Edge** » 17 Nov 2006 15:19

stril wrote: Added a link to a picture of a 76 ItK/14. http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/76ItK14.jpg

Hmm - about the size I was talking about.

nuyt · Post by **nuyt** » 17 Nov 2006 16:29

Hi Edge, tks for that picture of the K10 naval gun. The Dutch Navy used the similar K12:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333/t ... +Skodas%21

Does anybody have more info on the K12?

Kind regards,
Nuyt