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Post by jopaerya » 17 Nov 2006 22:14

Hello All

Was away two days to the Atlantikwall Symposium in Raversijde ( Great meeting and also saw some Axis Forum members in real live ) , but I must say that the gun from Stril looks a lot like my first photo .

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 18 Nov 2006 11:45

jopaerya wrote: I must say that the gun from Stril looks a lot like my first photo .
True...
Here few more pics from the Putilov mod 1914


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Source and high resolution photo here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image ... sula_1.jpg

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Post by JB XLH » 21 Nov 2006 07:57

Guys,

Wow almost missed my own internet depantsing! I actually found all my reference(s) to be wrong and found the 7.62 information on another Russian site but you all have the answer well before me.
What I hate is someone digging in and not accepting other possibilities and I did exactly that. Won’t do it again.

Jon.

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Post by jopaerya » 23 Nov 2006 11:49

Hello

Here for me a unknow gun , most likely not a W.W.2 gun ?

Photo's Ebay.de

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Post by ducatim901 » 23 Nov 2006 18:50

Looks French,
See them all the time on e-bay, were used by the French in WO II.
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Post by EPOCH3 » 23 Nov 2006 19:13

Hi - It appears to be a British 8" (20,3cm) Field How Mk VI on Mk VI carriage
1942 copy of Dienstvorchriften D50 Kennblätter Fremden Geräts has it as 523/1



http://members.cox.net/oddessa_ss/523_1_1.jpg
http://members.cox.net/oddessa_ss/523_1_2.jpg

http://members.cox.net/oddessa_ss/523_1-1.JPG
http://members.cox.net/oddessa_ss/523_1-2.JPG
http://members.cox.net/oddessa_ss/523_1-3.JPG
http://members.cox.net/oddessa_ss/523_1-4.JPG

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Post by jopaerya » 23 Nov 2006 20:35

Thanks Greg

Nice find , I was looking in the wrong direction , more to the East .
http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/ ... itzer.html
There were only 13 guns used by the B.E.F. in 1940 , so most likely a 20.3 cm
s.H. 501 (e) then a 20,3 cm s.H. 523/1 (a)

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Post by EPOCH3 » 23 Nov 2006 22:03

Hi Jos,
Any other clues on the photos (like date and/or location).

Please see some ref data for 501(e) - very similar but quite different arrangements in my humble opinion.

http://members.cox.net/oddessa_ss/501_1_1.JPG
http://members.cox.net/oddessa_ss/501_1.JPG
http://members.cox.net/oddessa_ss/501_2.JPG

Any chance these photos are WWI "left-overs"

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Post by jopaerya » 23 Nov 2006 22:29

Sorry Greg

No clues on dates or place , I don't know of all the
guns of the B.E.F. were modernised with pneumatic
tyres , others wise a W.W. I left-over .
I think that the American option is very speculative .

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Post by EPOCH3 » 23 Nov 2006 23:24

Hi Jos,
Yes, I agree with you - certainly speculative - however, the link you kindly provided hi-lites the manufacturing of 8" howitzers of British design by US firms for the WWI conflict. I would also think it totally plausible that some pieces were also left in Europe whether built in the US and used by the British or built by the US and used by the AEF. I will see if I can locate some additional data. Kind regards

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 23 Nov 2006 23:33

jopaerya wrote:No clues on dates or place , I don't know of all the
guns of the B.E.F. were modernised with pneumatic
tyres , others wise a W.W. I left-over .
Do you know which countries used it?
We (Finland) did, but I don't think it's from here.

Jos wrote:I think that the American option is very speculative .
Here (bottom) few photos of a Finnish, US bought howitzer.
http://www.landships.freeservers.com/ne ... r_info.htm
A little bit different (too)?

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Post by jopaerya » 24 Nov 2006 21:50

Thanks Juha

Here a photo of the 20.3 cm s.H. 501 (e) with pneumatic wheels ,
a other speculation could it be possible that the Russian capture
some of the Finnish 20,3 cm guns ?????

Photo = Ebay.de

Regards Jos

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 26 Nov 2006 18:53

jopaerya wrote: other speculation could it be possible that the Russian capture
some of the Finnish 20,3 cm guns ?????
We lost 13 of them at battles during summer 1944. Many of those howitzers were captured by the Soviet forces.

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Post by jopaerya » 26 Nov 2006 20:30

Hello

Here a Russian internetsite with the 20,3 cm gun
http://images.google.nl/imgres?imgurl=h ... D%26sa%3DG

I don't know if this means that the Russians Army used this gun ,
or are they the Finnish ones .

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Post by The Edge » 26 Nov 2006 23:02

From my „Encyclopedia of Russian Artillery”:

Russia in WWI purchased 8-inch howitzers both from Britain and USA:
- 32 pcs were ordered from Vickers (29 delivered in 1916, 2 in 1917)
- 100 pcs were ordered from USA (41 of them were delivered in 1917).

British model were known as “Vickers heavy howitzer Mark VI”, and USA model was called the same, except remark “2nd model” was added (“2-го образца”).

At the end of 1921, 59 pcs were recorded as still in Soviet Army inventory. So, they were probably used in WWII also.

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