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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by karlik » 13 Mar 2021, 15:03

VRIL7 wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 14:17
Anyone have more information on this howitzer?
Hi!
I saw this photo signed as Obice da 75/13 mod.32.

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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by VRIL7 » 13 Mar 2021, 15:42

karlik wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 15:03
Hi!
I saw this photo signed as Obice da 75/13 mod.32.
The da 75L13 howitzer has a completely different barrel:
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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by nuyt » 13 Mar 2021, 17:15

karlik wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 15:03
VRIL7 wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 14:17
Anyone have more information on this howitzer?
Hi!
I saw this photo signed as Obice da 75/13 mod.32.
Isn't it Obice 75/18 mod 32? The preproduction model of the 1934?

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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by VRIL7 » 13 Mar 2021, 18:11

nuyt wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 17:15
Isn't it Obice 75/18 mod 32? The preproduction model of the 1934?
Yes it is. Thanks Nuyt.
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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by shultz » 13 Mar 2021, 19:46

VRIL7 wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 14:17
Hi everyone,
Anyone have more information on this howitzer? Thank you in advance.

2WK-Foto-Panzer-Ansaldo-Geschutz-Morser-Top.jpg
Hi to everyone, the photograph posted by Vril7 shows a prototype of mountain howitzer built by the Ansaldo company to participate in a competition organized by the Royal Italian Army (Regio Esercito).
The competition was won by 75/18 mod.34 designed by army technicians, and the Ansaldo prototype was abandoned.
For confirmation, i put the copy of the card taken from the Ansaldo website.
75-17 Ansaldo.jpg
As the Howitzer has never been adopted in service, there are no official denominations.
Indicatively we can call it "Ansaldo 75/17 Mod. 32".

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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by VRIL7 » 13 Mar 2021, 20:32

Thanks a lot Shultz! This is exactly what interested me.:thumbsup:

Can you link to this Ansaldo site on the artillery tab?
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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by shultz » 13 Mar 2021, 22:10

VRIL7 wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 20:32
Thanks a lot Shultz! This is exactly what interested me.:thumbsup:

Can you link to this Ansaldo site on the artillery tab?
Hi VRIL7, look down in the photo I have placed.
But be careful ...... go and read in "Italian naval guns" what I wrote in my post in response to STURM78, post of 11 Mar 2021, 16:18.
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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by VRIL7 » 14 Mar 2021, 17:16

Hello everyone,
Here's another riddle. This howitzer looks like a 149L19 mod.41, but the barrel seems to be longer. Were there two barrel options?
2WK-Foto-Panzer-Geschutz-im-Tripoli-Libia-Dak.jpg
Here is 149L19 mod.41 for comparison:
149L19 mod.41.jpg
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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by shultz » 14 Mar 2021, 18:27

VRIL7 wrote:
14 Mar 2021, 17:16
Hello everyone,
Here's another riddle. This howitzer looks like a 149L19 mod.41, but the barrel seems to be longer. Were there two barrel options?
2WK-Foto-Panzer-Geschutz-im-Tripoli-Libia-Dak.jpg
Here is 149L19 mod.41 for comparison:
149L19 mod.41.jpg
Hi, yes, it's a 149/19.
And according to the caption of another copy of the photo, the place is "Tripoli 1941".
The barrel seems longer due to the elevation of the piece, but there was only one type of barrel and cradle, while there were three types of carriage (Mod.37, Mod.41 & Mod.42, differing for the mode of traction) ; looking at the place and date, I also think it is a Mod. 41 (unfortunately we can't see the back of the carriage)
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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by VRIL7 » 14 Mar 2021, 19:02

shultz wrote:
14 Mar 2021, 18:27
Hi, yes, it's a 149/19.
Thanks Shultz!
shultz wrote:
14 Mar 2021, 18:27
(Mod.37, Mod.41 & Mod.42, differing for the mode of traction)
Regards, Shultz
Do you have images with these different carriages for comparison? Thank you in advance.
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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by karlik » 16 Mar 2021, 05:49

shultz wrote:
14 Mar 2021, 18:27
Hi, yes, it's a 149/19.
Hi, shultz!
I am asking you for help as a specialist in Italian artillery .
In book "Italian artillery of WW2" by Enrico Finazzer and Ralph A. Riccio in page 7 mentioned prototypes of Italian guns of WW2:
75/17, 75/20, 75/36, 75/45, 105/20, 105/23, 105/40.
Please tell me what kind of gun?
I think that:
75/17 it is mountain howitzer Modello 32 Ansaldo;
75/36 it is field gun Modello ??? Ansaldo;
105/20 it is field howitzer Modello 42? Ansaldo;
105/23 it is field howitzer Modello 42 OTO;
105/40 it is heavy field gun Modello 42 Ansaldo;

What kind of guns 75/20 and 75/45 (possible AA gun)??
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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by VRIL7 » 16 Mar 2021, 08:56

karlik wrote:
16 Mar 2021, 05:49
I think that:
75/17 it is mountain howitzer Modello 32 Ansaldo;
This howitzer was discussed here: viewtopic.php?p=2330003#p2330003
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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by shultz » 16 Mar 2021, 16:42

shultz wrote:
14 Mar 2021, 18:27
(Mod.37, Mod.41 & Mod.42, differing for the mode of traction)
Regards, Shultz
Do you have images with these different carriages for comparison? Thank you in advance.
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Hi VRIL7, the three models are different for the mode of traction:
- The Mod. 37 was towed in two separate loads, but i have not yet seen a photograph of the two loads together; you can see a photo of the limber for the barrel and cradle (without barrell) at page 42 of the book of "Finazzer & Riccio".

- The Mod. 41 was towed in one load with a limber, and i put a photo of the howitzer in the OTO factory
149-19 Mod. 41 with limber (from 'Le artiglierie del Regio Esercito' di F. Cappellano.jpg
149-19 Mod.41 with limber (from a book of F. Cappellano)
(you can see a postwar photo at page 45 of the book of "Finazzer & Riccio").

- The Mod. 42 was towed in one load without limber , and i put a 1945 photo from the NET
149-19 trainato da Breda 61 (from the NET).jpg
149-19 Mod. 42 towed by Breda 61 (from the NET)
(same photo but less complete at page 158 of the book of "Finazzer & Riccio").

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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by VRIL7 » 17 Mar 2021, 10:09

Thanks Shultz!
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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by shultz » 17 Mar 2021, 15:43

karlik wrote:
16 Mar 2021, 05:49
shultz wrote:
14 Mar 2021, 18:27
Hi, yes, it's a 149/19.
Hi, shultz!
I am asking you for help as a specialist in Italian artillery .
In book "Italian artillery of WW2" by Enrico Finazzer and Ralph A. Riccio in page 7 mentioned prototypes of Italian guns of WW2:
75/17, 75/20, 75/36, 75/45, 105/20, 105/23, 105/40.
Please tell me what kind of gun?
I think that:
75/17 it is mountain howitzer Modello 32 Ansaldo;
75/36 it is field gun Modello ??? Ansaldo;
105/20 it is field howitzer Modello 42? Ansaldo;
105/23 it is field howitzer Modello 42 OTO;
105/40 it is heavy field gun Modello 42 Ansaldo;

What kind of guns 75/20 and 75/45 (possible AA gun)??
Best regards!
Hi Karlik, i try to answer :

- 75/17 is an Ansaldo prototype for a mountain howitzer (see the post n.2195 in this thread, also for the indication of the year)
- 75/36 is an Ansaldo prototype for a field gun ; it is an Ansaldo "private venture" at the end of the 1930's, never tested by the Italian Army
- 105-20 (not model 42) your photo shows the last version of an Ansaldo prototype for a field howitzer ; it was still under test by Italian Army in September 1943 at the time of Italian Armistice, and was never adopted
- 105-23 (not model 42) your photo shows the last version of an OTO prototype for a field howitzer ; it was still under test by the Italian Army in September 1943 and like the Ansaldo it was never adopted
- 105/40 is OTO Mod. 43 (non Ansaldo 42) and is an O.T.O. field gun that was adopted by the Italian Royal Army in may 1943 and produced in very little number

- 75/20 ??? I have no news, never seen neither photographs nor drawings ...... probably does not exist
- 75/45 was an antiaircraft gun ; it was designed by Italian Army technicians and built by Ansaldo at the beginning of the 1930s; it was not adopted, and the four guns built remained in stock until the beginning of WW2 ; here two photos of the two types of mount tried
75-45 prototype on field mount (from a book of F. Cappellano).JPG
75-45 prototype on field mount (from a book of F. Cappellano)
75-45 prototype on static mount (from a book of F. Cappellano).jpg
75-45 prototype on static mount (from a book of F. Cappellano)
Regards, Shultz

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