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Re: Unknow gun

Post by T. A. Gardner » 15 Apr 2023 16:41

photo-war wrote:
15 Apr 2023 15:05
Please help to id a Pak gun in this photo, Battle of Stalingrad participant.

What variant is this? Can't recognize,

Thanks in advance!
It's a PAK 97/38.

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Re: Unknow gun

Post by photo-war » 15 Apr 2023 17:28

TH and T. A. Gardner many thanks for identification! I was confused by a muzzle cover of this Pak, it is different from standard for Pak 97/38
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Re: Unknow gun

Post by Sturm78 » 03 Oct 2023 21:27

Hi all,

I found this image on Ebay. Does somebody have any idea about this ?
I would say that it seems a training device for artillery gunners......

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Re: Unknow gun

Post by Chazette » 03 Oct 2023 22:42

you have the same gun in Saint-Nazaire (France)
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Re: Unknow gun

Post by Chazette » 03 Oct 2023 22:45

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Re: Unknow gun

Post by Sturm78 » 04 Oct 2023 21:35

Thank you, Chazette

Do you know if it is training device ??

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Re: Unknow gun

Post by Chazette » 04 Oct 2023 21:54

For me yes

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Re: Unknow gun

Post by tristan-gereon » 10 Oct 2023 18:28

Hi,
I think also, it is a training object. I am sure, that the pics are showing the „Batterie Skagerrak“ (4 x 24 cm S.K.L/40 Geschützen in Bettungsschießgerüsten auf Flachbettung) at Sylt. In WW 1 the battery was built as "Batterie S 2". Between the wars this battery was used as Schulungsbatterie (battery for training).
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Re: Unknow gun

Post by tristan-gereon » 10 Oct 2023 18:34

here some pics of Skagerrak
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Re: Unknow gun

Post by Sturm78 » 09 Dec 2023 21:23

Hi all,

Does anyone have any information about this Portuguese howitzer in a museum ?? :?

This howitzer has some similarities with the German 10.5cm leFH18 but also many differences:
The brake mechanisms and the recuperator are different as well as the shield.
It also has two equilibrators just behind the shield, which the leFH18 does not have. From its shape and location it could be a typical Bofors feature.
The wheels, despite having a typically German look, do not match those used on any German artillery piece, either.
The aiming mechanisms are also different...

Any idea ?? :roll:

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Re: Unknow gun

Post by T. A. Gardner » 09 Dec 2023 23:18

Sturm78 wrote:
09 Dec 2023 21:23
Hi all,

Does anyone have any information about this Portuguese howitzer in a museum ?? :?

This howitzer has some similarities with the German 10.5cm leFH18 but also many differences:
The brake mechanisms and the recuperator are different as well as the shield.
It also has two equilibrators just behind the shield, which the leFH18 does not have. From its shape and location it could be a typical Bofors feature.
The wheels, despite having a typically German look, do not match those used on any German artillery piece, either.
The aiming mechanisms are also different...

Any idea ?? :roll:

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That looks like a 10.5cm leFH 18M. There were differences in the shield, wheels, muzzle brake design, etc., within the production depending on who and when it was produced. For example, it appears to have the 10.5 cm leFH 18/40 muzzle brake on it.

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Re: Unknow gun

Post by Jens Andersen » 10 Dec 2023 11:02

Hello,
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Right now there is a document concerning sale of 10,5 cm le.F.H. to Portugal for sale on ebay.de:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/333906082086?ha ... Swigpf6MPb
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Re: Unknow gun

Post by Sturm78 » 10 Dec 2023 13:40

Jens wrote
Right now there is a document concerning sale of 10,5 cm le.F.H. to Portugal for sale on ebay.de:
Thank you, Jens.

From what can be seen in the document (without buying it), it can be deduced that the Germans sold to Portugal in 1941 a model called 10.5cm FH L28 (at least 20 copies) and another called 15cm FH L30 (at least 12 copies).

It is very probable that these models correspond to the German models 10.5cm leFH18 and 15cm sFH18, respectively.

However, the howitzer in my last picture is different in many respects from the German 10.5cm leFH18 howitzer.
Especially the equilibrators and the different aiming mechanisms point, in my opinion, to a completely different model.....

Here, a old link about Portuguese 10.5cm leFH18 howitzers and an image of a 10.5cm leFH18 Portugese howitzer with the same wheels....
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Re: Unknow gun

Post by nuyt » 13 Dec 2023 20:29

Hi Sturm, top one is a picture of mine from Portugal. The other one I think is not from Portugal, where did you find it and what museum is it?

Thing is, it looks a lot like the Turkish early variant of the 10,5cm LFH18, with different shield and boxtrail, most likley by Rheinmetall, not Krupp. See here: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/theover ... 3125#p3125

If yours is Portuguese it could be some early trial version and not from the Krupp production series.

Here is a PT 105mm in Africa, diiferent wheels, different muzzle brake.
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Re: Unknow gun

Post by Sturm78 » 14 Dec 2023 00:31

Hi nuyt,

I found the image at this link : https://www.silverhawkauthor.com/post/a ... ery-school

The howitzer is located in the Museu Militar do Porto so I think it is a weapon used by the Portuguese.
The weapon have a split-trail design, not boxtrail....
Thanks for your image. The howitzer of your image seems to have the same recoil-recuperator mechanism, the same shield and the same carriage that the howitzer of my image with the only difference of the muzzle brake (I think the same that the German 10.5cm leFH18M version) and the wheels (I woul say the standard German mot. wheels of the 10.5cm leFH18)....

I think that this howitzer has too many differences to the standard German 10.5cm leFH18 howitzer, although I would say that it has a German origin undoubtedly....

Here, another image of this rare weapon

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