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Re: Unknow gun

Post by Sturm78 » 12 May 2010 11:48

Hi all,

I need some help with these images:

Image 1: According to photocaption captured Russian guns but I think they are Yugolav captured guns. I can identify 20mm Breda M1935 AA guns X2, 77mm M5/28 or M5/32 AA guns X4 (I do not know the difference) and ???. Can somebody confirm this and/or identify the other guns?

Image 2: I think 75mm Mle1897 ex-french barrel gun on rare carriage. Does anybody know where this image was taken?

Images from Ebay.
Thanks in advance. Sturm78
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Re: Unknow gun

Post by The Edge » 12 May 2010 18:18

Sturm78 wrote:Image 1: According to photocaption captured Russian guns but I think they are Yugoslav captured guns. I can identify 20mm Breda M1935 AA guns X2, 77mm M5/28 or M5/32 AA guns X4 (I do not know the difference) and ???. Can somebody confirm this and/or identify the other guns?
You're right - Yugoslav guns. :D

Breda 20mm was in Yugoslav armament as "20mm M.39 AA gun" ("heavy machine-gun")
Four next guns looks like ex-Austrian M.5/8 guns, modified for AA use - in "transport mode".
(M5/28 was mounted on wooden platform for AA use; M.5/32 on steel one; everything else was identical)
Next two are "80mm M.28" Skoda (export) AA guns; also used by Argentina; real caliber 76.5mm, barrel L/50.
Next two are "80mm M.28" Skoda field guns ("Skoda EF"); real caliber 76.5mm, barrel L/40 (slightly modified, later adopted by Czechoslovakia as 8-cm "Vz. 30"; "Skoda EF1", in 75mm, was used by Romania)
Next - ??? - not visible enogh.

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Re: Unknow gun

Post by jopaerya » 12 May 2010 19:03

Hello

The 7.5 cm F.K. 97 (f) are from M.K.B. Socoa-Ost , merci FX .

Regards Jos

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Re: Unknow gun

Post by Manuferey » 13 May 2010 00:56

Thank you Sturm78 for posting the picture of the Yugoslav guns and thank you the Edge for the identification. Here is a close-up of the 20 mm Breda guns (from ebay.com). I had suspected for a long time that the gun on the left was a 8 cm M.5 AA type gun but now it's confirmed! :D The caption on ebay was "SERBIAN FLAK CANNONS CAPTURED".

Here is a link with pictures of a remaining 8 cm M.5 AA gun in Italy:
http://www.landships.freeservers.com/ah ... aa_gun.htm

Image

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Re: Unknow gun

Post by Sturm78 » 13 May 2010 09:14

Thank you very much to all for your help, The Edge, Jopaerya and Emmanuel. :D

Regards Sturm78

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Re: Unknow gun

Post by Dili » 14 May 2010 01:01

I can't believe anyone thought that kind of AA gun was useful at all, i am talking about 8cm.M05. Not even a pedestal mounting.

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Re: Unknow gun

Post by AVV » 16 May 2010 13:10

Good afternoon!

Please identify this gun (photo taken during French campaign in 1940), source http://www.stolly.org.uk/France1940/

Best regards, Aleks
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Re: Unknow gun

Post by Manuferey » 16 May 2010 13:45

It looks like the barrel of a French "220 mm Long Mle 1917 Schneider" gun.

Emmanuel

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Re: Unknow gun

Post by Hubert » 16 May 2010 20:00

While cleaning up I found 2 pics I took somewhere in Luxembourg country 20 years ago.

I have no idea what this could exactly be. My first guess would be a small pak without wheels...

Thanks for IDing this poor piece of history.
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Re: Unknow gun

Post by jopaerya » 17 May 2010 18:52

Hello Hubert

Maybe a incomplete German 7.5 cm PaK 40

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Re: Unknow gun

Post by AVV » 17 May 2010 19:51

Greetings!
Manuferey wrote:It looks like the barrel of a French "220 mm Long Mle 1917 Schneider" gun.
Thanks, Emmanuel! :)
Hubert wrote:My first guess would be a small pak without wheels...
jopaerya wrote:Maybe a incomplete German 7.5 cm PaK 40
and obviously without muzzle break too.. :wink:

Best regards, Aleks

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Re: Unknow gun

Post by jopaerya » 20 May 2010 09:55

Hello

Any idea's on this one , my first idea was a French 10.5 cm Erhardt but this does not fit ??

photo from Ebay .

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Re: Unknow gun

Post by ludvig » 20 May 2010 13:10

Hello Jos,
Thanks for uploading .
10,5 cm Ubts. u. Tbts. Flak L/45 in Ubts. u. Tbts. L. C/16
This gun have a vertical breech wedge and the Ehrhardt have a
horisontal breech wedge opening to the right . You can also see
it by the curved shield above the gun barrel from between the breech
towards the trunnions .
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Re: Unknow gun

Post by jopaerya » 20 May 2010 13:19

Thanks Ludvig for I.D.ing this gun .

Regards Jos

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Re: Unknow gun

Post by AVV » 20 May 2010 19:31

Greetings!
ludvig wrote:10,5 cm Ubts. u. Tbts. Flak L/45 in Ubts. u. Tbts. L. C/16
It seems this gun was too big for such a small ship as shown at the photo. IMHO, it could be dangerous for its own ship... :?

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