Unknow gun

[Sturm78]

Thank you very much to all for your help, The Edge, Jopaerya and Emmanuel.

Regards Sturm78

[Dili]

I can't believe anyone thought that kind of AA gun was useful at all, i am talking about 8cm.M05. Not even a pedestal mounting.

[AVV]

Good afternoon!

Please identify this gun (photo taken during French campaign in 1940), source http://www.stolly.org.uk/France1940/

Best regards, Aleks

[Manuferey]

It looks like the barrel of a French "220 mm Long Mle 1917 Schneider" gun.

Emmanuel

[Hubert]

While cleaning up I found 2 pics I took somewhere in Luxembourg country 20 years ago.

I have no idea what this could exactly be. My first guess would be a small pak without wheels...

Thanks for IDing this poor piece of history.
Regards

Hubert

[jopaerya]

Hello Hubert

Maybe a incomplete German 7.5 cm PaK 40

Regards Jos

[AVV]

Greetings!

It looks like the barrel of a French "220 mm Long Mle 1917 Schneider" gun.

Thanks, Emmanuel!

My first guess would be a small pak without wheels...

Maybe a incomplete German 7.5 cm PaK 40

and obviously without muzzle break too..

Best regards, Aleks

[jopaerya]

Hello

Any idea's on this one , my first idea was a French 10.5 cm Erhardt but this does not fit ??

photo from Ebay .

Regards Jos

[ludvig]

Hello Jos,
Thanks for uploading .
10,5 cm Ubts. u. Tbts. Flak L/45 in Ubts. u. Tbts. L. C/16
This gun have a vertical breech wedge and the Ehrhardt have a
horisontal breech wedge opening to the right . You can also see
it by the curved shield above the gun barrel from between the breech
towards the trunnions .
regards
ludvig

[jopaerya]

Thanks Ludvig for I.D.ing this gun .

Regards Jos

[AVV]

Greetings!

10,5 cm Ubts. u. Tbts. Flak L/45 in Ubts. u. Tbts. L. C/16

It seems this gun was too big for such a small ship as shown at the photo. IMHO, it could be dangerous for its own ship...

Best regards, Aleks

[Clive Mortimore]

Hello Jos,
Thanks for uploading .
10,5 cm Ubts. u. Tbts. Flak L/45 in Ubts. u. Tbts. L. C/16
This gun have a vertical breech wedge and the Ehrhardt have a
horisontal breech wedge opening to the right . You can also see
it by the curved shield above the gun barrel from between the breech
towards the trunnions .
regards
ludvig

Hi Ludvig

Is this the same type of gun as in Jos's thread http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0&t=165497 ?

[jopaerya]

Hello Ludvig and Clive

Here more photo's of this gun http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... =zeebrugge
maybe the U boot version had only the curved shield on top of the gun . Here a blurry picture of the gun
with the end of the shield above the breech .

Photo = Ebay

Regards Jos

[ludvig]

Hello ,
to Aleks :
Mant times in the naval history bigger and bigger guns
were pressed int the same small hull . Most of small
units of German Navy in WW1 used different 8,8 cm
and 10,5 cm . The gun is too long and big to be
a 8,8 cm .
To Clive :
your question is a good one , but the the tread is dealing
with the mobile German Army AA on trailers .
To Jos :
Thank you very much for the 10,5 cm UTO C/16 from
Zeebrugge WITH a the curved top shield . Seen many
photos of the Zeebrugge without top shield - - -
* MKB JUl have top shields ( from Albatross )
* MKB Zeebrugge without / with top shields ???
* MKB Terre Negre with top shields
* Belgian CD at Zeebrugge with top shields
But Möve - class is often sailing without the top shields
Regards
ludvig

[jopaerya]

Hello Ludvig

For Zeebrugge , yes you are right most photo's are without the "U-boot" shield .
As you know some of the guns were used by the Belgian Army as coast defence
between the 2 world-wars .

Also the M.K.B. La Verdon , on the other side of the Gironde river used the
10,5 cm Ubts. u. Tbts. Flak L/45 in Ubts. u. Tbts. L. C/16 , here a photo from
Alain Chazette from the M.K.B. Terre Negre with the shield on top of the gun .

Regards Jos