4 cm Bofors

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Re: 4 cm Bofors

Post by Clive Mortimore » 14 Feb 2016 16:44

Hi Emmanuel

Was this a feature of the Swedish made guns as well? I have found the same platform on guns belonging to the KNIL http://www.network54.com/Forum/594514/m ... on+Bofors- Could the one in the photo on the beach be an ex-Dutch gun

I am still trying to find an image of guns in service with the Swedish Army. I was hoping to find a photo of a Finnish gun with the platform tray but so far have not. Finland obtained Bofors from all over the place so they might have had a mixture. Photos of Norwegian guns do not show this feature.

I have not found it on Polish, Belgian or British built guns.
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Re: 4 cm Bofors

Post by ludvig » 14 Feb 2016 19:19

Hello ,
Sone of the Norwegians 40 mm Bofors L /60 have the " bathtub " :

http://krigsbilder.net/coppermine/displ ... play_media

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Re: 4 cm Bofors

Post by Clive Mortimore » 15 Feb 2016 01:43

ludvig wrote:Hello ,
Sone of the Norwegians 40 mm Bofors L /60 have the " bathtub " :

http://krigsbilder.net/coppermine/displ ... play_media

ludvig
Thanks Ludvig

I think we are slowly building up a picture of which countries had the tray type platform. Norway, Dutch East Indies (and may be Holland), and Hungary. Some guns in Finland possible had them. I still haven't seen a Swedish gun in my searches. Argentina brought their guns direct from Sweden and they did not have the tray type platform. Britain, Poland, Belgium and the USA did not have the tray.

That is a very interesting set of photos.
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Re: 4 cm Bofors

Post by Sturm78 » 16 Feb 2016 11:23

Clive wrote
I think we are slowly building up a picture of which countries had the tray type platform. Norway, Dutch East Indies (and may be Holland), and Hungary. Some guns in Finland possible had them. I still haven't seen a Swedish gun in my searches. Argentina brought their guns direct from Sweden and they did not have the tray type platform. Britain, Poland, Belgium and the USA did not have the tray.
I have tried to differentiate the licence-manufacturer country of the Bofors guns through the different designs of the wheels but.... is very complicated since many countries used guns manufactured in other countries.... :?

There are different designs of wheels. Here, some images from Ebay and other sources:

Image 1: 6 small triangular holes and 5 nuts - used by Poland, UK, ....??
Image 2: 8 regular triangular holes and 5 nuts - used by Poland, Belgium, Hungary, Sweden, Austria, Norway, Holland, KNIL, Finland,....
Image 3: 8 large triangular holes and 6 nuts - used by UK, Argentina, Finland,...

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Re: 4 cm Bofors

Post by Sturm78 » 16 Feb 2016 11:26

...part 2:

Image 4: without holes and big balloon tyres - used by UK only in late war models
Image 5: without holes and 5 inner and 12 outer nuts - used by US only
Image 6: with 2 triangular holes anfd 8 nuts - used by Belgium only (I think)

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Re: 4 cm Bofors

Post by Sturm78 » 16 Feb 2016 11:41

...Part 3:

Image 7: with 5 big triangular holes and 5 nuts - used by Latvia and US, ....
Image 8: without holes or nuts - used only by Sweden and Finland and perhaps Austria (I think)


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Re: 4 cm Bofors

Post by ludvig » 16 Feb 2016 19:18

Hello ,
Sweden bought 62 x former Hungarian guns via Germany in 1940 ,these have the " bathtube "
plattform as 40 mm Lvk M/38 , link from Gotland :

http://www.tjelvar.se/vapen/4-32.htm

Finland received 38 x guns from Mavag , so there are some " badetubes " in Finland too , see the platoon.net
for details .

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Re: 4 cm Bofors

Post by Manuferey » 16 Feb 2016 23:45

Sturm78 wrote: I have tried to differentiate the licence-manufacturer country of the Bofors guns through the different designs of the wheels but.... is very complicated since many countries used guns manufactured in other countries.... :?

There are different designs of wheels. Here, some images from Ebay and other sources:

Image 1: 6 small triangular holes and 5 nuts - used by Poland, UK, ....??
Image 2: 8 regular triangular holes and 5 nuts - used by Poland, Belgium, Hungary, Sweden, Austria, Norway, Holland, KNIL, Finland,....
Image 3: 8 large triangular holes and 6 nuts - used by UK, Argentina, Finland,...

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Great job, Sturm78 ! :thumbsup:

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Re: 4 cm Bofors

Post by Clive Mortimore » 17 Feb 2016 08:22

Thanks Sturm and Ludvig

Hopefully now we are getting closer to being able to identify the origin of most Bofors guns.

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Re: 4 cm Bofors

Post by Sturm78 » 09 Apr 2016 19:07

Hi all,

I am not sure about this 40mm Bofors gun. It seems a non standard gun.... 8O :? : one-axle, different tow bar, different outriggers,...

Any idea ??

Image from Ebay
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Re: 4 cm Bofors

Post by Clive Mortimore » 10 Apr 2016 00:53

Hi Sturm

My first thought was it is a British airborne Bofors. As far as I know they were only deployed during Operation Market Garden. They were not air landed but were part of the land forces attacking from Belgium. They were used in support of the US paratroopers who took the bridge at Nijmegen. I cannot recall reading that they lost any guns. Did any other armies develop an airborne Bofors.
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Re: 4 cm Bofors

Post by jopaerya » 10 Apr 2016 09:05

According to this picture, it should be a Polish 4 cm Bofors ??

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Re: 4 cm Bofors

Post by jopaerya » 10 Apr 2016 13:24

Please correct me when I am wrong .

The Polish 4 cm Bofors were licence build by "Towarzystwo Starachowickich Zakladow Gorniczych H. Cegielski S.A., Rzeszow"
There were two versions "40 mm armata przeciwlotnicza Bofors Wz 36 and 38"
The "75 mm armata plot Wz 37 had also two different carriages, they look a lot like the 4 cm Bofors carriages.http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... lit=armata

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Re: 4 cm Bofors

Post by Sturm78 » 10 Apr 2016 16:08

Jopaerya wrote
According to this picture, it should be a Polish 4 cm Bofors ??
Jopaerya wrote
he Polish 4 cm Bofors were licence build by "Towarzystwo Starachowickich Zakladow Gorniczych H. Cegielski S.A., Rzeszow"
There were two versions "40 mm armata przeciwlotnicza Bofors Wz 36 and 38"
The "75 mm armata plot Wz 37 had also two different carriages, they look a lot like the 4 cm Bofors carriages.viewtopic.php?f=70&t=158775&hilit=armata
I did not know that the Polish had designed a different carriage (Wz.38) for his 40mm Bofors guns different to the standard one, with only three legs and one-axle carriage....... 8O 8O :? Why ?? :? :?

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Re: 4 cm Bofors

Post by Sturm78 » 02 May 2016 10:41

Does somebody have any adittional information and/or wartime image of the Polish Wz.38 version ??

Here, another image from Ebay. Probably an ex-british or ex-polish gun....

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