wooden box on bunker
wooden box on bunker
Hello All
Who has any clue , what this wooden box or
it's purpose is on top of the bunker ?????
Is't possible for a later placing of a turret ???
Photo = Ebay.de
Regards Jos
Who has any clue , what this wooden box or
it's purpose is on top of the bunker ?????
Is't possible for a later placing of a turret ???
Photo = Ebay.de
Regards Jos
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Hello PJF
Normally the bunker was poured with concrete and all armoured
parts were allready in place and then when the concrete was hard
enough the wooden planking were removed , but here it looks that
the a place of the bunker was later poured with concrete for example
for a armoured turret.
Regards Jos
Normally the bunker was poured with concrete and all armoured
parts were allready in place and then when the concrete was hard
enough the wooden planking were removed , but here it looks that
the a place of the bunker was later poured with concrete for example
for a armoured turret.
Regards Jos
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Jos and others,
Indeed, preferable a turret was built in directly, however the nachträgliche Einbau
for turrets was done often. Perhaps because it was easier to do (because the turret could be placed on an already poured concrete base, instead of building a stutt to support the entire weight from the start) with the limited building equipment. The picture reminds me of a nachträglicher einbau of a weapons or observation turret.
Peter
Indeed, preferable a turret was built in directly, however the nachträgliche Einbau
for turrets was done often. Perhaps because it was easier to do (because the turret could be placed on an already poured concrete base, instead of building a stutt to support the entire weight from the start) with the limited building equipment. The picture reminds me of a nachträglicher einbau of a weapons or observation turret.
Peter
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Hi Jos,
Is it possible that the turret has been covered in wood to protect it while the concrete was poured around it?
Or prehaps to protect the loop holes if a concrete camoflage is being added to the turret roof judging by the people doing something on it
The "Nachträglich einbau" was the way all of the 20p7 turrets were installed in Jersey, also the 434po1 M19 turret at Stp Corbiere was installed after the construction of the bunker.
Regards, Malcolm.
Is it possible that the turret has been covered in wood to protect it while the concrete was poured around it?
Or prehaps to protect the loop holes if a concrete camoflage is being added to the turret roof judging by the people doing something on it
The "Nachträglich einbau" was the way all of the 20p7 turrets were installed in Jersey, also the 434po1 M19 turret at Stp Corbiere was installed after the construction of the bunker.
Regards, Malcolm.
I would say it was wooden shuttering, for concrete pouring.
Looking at the trolley rails in the foreground, they go off into the distance bearing left Then if you look at the guy standing to the far left of the shuttering, it seems that his feet are intersected by the trolley rails, heading towards the shuttering.
Regards
Andy H
Looking at the trolley rails in the foreground, they go off into the distance bearing left Then if you look at the guy standing to the far left of the shuttering, it seems that his feet are intersected by the trolley rails, heading towards the shuttering.
Regards
Andy H
Hello members,
just to answer your questions:
It is a Regelbau R 120 / 121 with a concrete observation turret on top. The picture was taken while the concrete of the turret was not hardened. So the wooden material is still in place. Using concrete turrets instead the real iron pieces was a way to bring the bunker into use provisorically, when the production lines in the factories weren' t able to deliver as much turrets as needed. This way to handle the shortage of equipment is known from the Westwall. There is still one ruin of a R 121 with the rest of such a concrete (60 cm thick) turret on top of it.
Daniel
just to answer your questions:
It is a Regelbau R 120 / 121 with a concrete observation turret on top. The picture was taken while the concrete of the turret was not hardened. So the wooden material is still in place. Using concrete turrets instead the real iron pieces was a way to bring the bunker into use provisorically, when the production lines in the factories weren' t able to deliver as much turrets as needed. This way to handle the shortage of equipment is known from the Westwall. There is still one ruin of a R 121 with the rest of such a concrete (60 cm thick) turret on top of it.
Daniel
Hello Jos,
this is a very interesting photo for me. I have never seen before such a preparation for the placing of a turret! Along the Westwall you can find just square holes in the concrete roof minimum 2 x 2 m, where such infantery observation turrets were planned to be placed. Do you know more such solutions?
Here are two pictures of a preparated turretshaft for a 20P7 of a R 113b. In this case the bolts were allready integrated.
Greetings
Daniel
this is a very interesting photo for me. I have never seen before such a preparation for the placing of a turret! Along the Westwall you can find just square holes in the concrete roof minimum 2 x 2 m, where such infantery observation turrets were planned to be placed. Do you know more such solutions?
Here are two pictures of a preparated turretshaft for a 20P7 of a R 113b. In this case the bolts were allready integrated.
Greetings
Daniel
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Hi Daniel
There are drawings for the nachträgliche Einbau for all types of turrets,
schartenplatte's , doors , peroscopeholes and other armed parts .
http://www.atlantik.nl/ PDF Files
Regards Jos
There are drawings for the nachträgliche Einbau for all types of turrets,
schartenplatte's , doors , peroscopeholes and other armed parts .
http://www.atlantik.nl/ PDF Files
Regards Jos