5cm Maschinengranatwerfer M19

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Post by P. Heijkoop » 30 Dec 2007 17:53

as far as I know most of it should still be left...
some of the smaller stuff was 'salvaged' and is now
laying somewhere else gathering rust.

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Post by M19 MADMAL » 30 Dec 2007 18:15

Hi peter,

You know where you could send it :lol: :wink:

I am planning to start construction of a 2nd full size replica M19 for La Corbiere once I have finished making MG ammo boxes and folding bunker tables :o

The 1st one was quite good and fooled people even though it was made of wood, drain pipes, old paint tins and the like. It even had working lights, elevated and you could feed original clips through but sadly the dampness got to it and the main mount warped and most of it became firewood :(

At the moment I have a superb 1/16 scale model which allows people to understand how the weapon looked and opperated. (thanks Andrew Martin :wink: )

Will put up progress when I start :D

Malcolm :wink:
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Post by P. Heijkoop » 30 Dec 2007 18:22

Malcolm

> You know where you could send it

Unfortunately the stuff isn't in our hands. Mostly, when
collectors try to 'salvage' parts they do more harm then
good... and end up cutting with a torch :x

Any pictures of the first 'fake' M19 ?
Nice to see the ammonunition preparation tables.
These are also still present in the 633 in Vlissingen.

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Post by M19 MADMAL » 30 Dec 2007 18:28

Hi Peter,

The left hand table is original to the bunker and right and centre sections are home made :D They were removed and ended up with a local collector who left one outside as he had no room for it under cover :(
When I heard he had them it had rotted away :x

I will have to look for a photo of the 1st fake M19

Malcolm :wink:

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Post by P. Heijkoop » 30 Dec 2007 18:35

Malcolm,

Hmm, too bad it rotted away. The ones in Vlissingen are
covered in sticky oil, so should be preserved well. I think
the Schwungscheibe is also present.

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Post by M19 MADMAL » 30 Dec 2007 18:52

Another question for you Peter :)

On the left-hand side of the door to the turret room is a black switch on the end of a grey pipe.

Do you know what it worked?
I guess its for the turret lighting :?

Also the switch itself is unusial and I have only ever found them at this point here in 633's 8O Its the same as the on/off switch used for airpump motors but the mounting points are on oppersite corners and it only has a lower cable entry point (airpumps switches have 1 top and bottom)

I have never seen a real one :( and based this on the A.E.G. made airpump switches.

Malcolm :wink:

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Post by P. Heijkoop » 30 Dec 2007 19:04

Hai Malcolm,

I was actually just going to ask you what it was :D

My first thought was a switch for the airpumps in the
ventillationroom due to the typical shape of the switch

However, it could well be the main switch for the illumination
of the weapon and the Schwungscheibe. The gray tube also
hints at this. Can you check if this pipe enters the drive-shaft
slit in the floor ? There are some cable clips in this shaft running
up to the main fuse/operating box to the left of the Schwungscheibe.

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Post by M19 MADMAL » 30 Dec 2007 19:16

Hehehe.

Hi Peter,

Yes the pipe does go to the trench for the drive shaft. A bit further on there is another pipe, behind the turret room door when it is open, which ended in a Bakalite junction box (like the ones for lights etc) which ran cables to 2 lights which were mounted above each of the 2 ammo recesses under the turret.

Although the area where the lights were mounted was destroyed when the turret was removed one of the lights was found and it is identicle to the 3 lamps on the weapon itself 8O

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Post by P. Heijkoop » 30 Dec 2007 19:31

Hi,

Ok, then a switch for the illumination/speed indicator is the most logical
use.

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Post by M19 MADMAL » 30 Dec 2007 19:34

P. Heijkoop wrote:
It's a fascinating weapon!

Peter
Your right there :D

Malcolm :wink:

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Post by P. Heijkoop » 30 Dec 2007 19:39

;-)

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Post by kstdk » 31 Dec 2007 12:44

Hello

Here a link to Google Earth pictures, in case you did not know there are a lot of interesting pictures on Googel Earth 8O

http://www.panoramio.com/user/177991/tags/M%2019

Here about the M19 from Hanstholm and Fanø, Denmark - where WE also have a couple of this still existing aperatus left. 8O 8-)

Be sure to follow the tags mentioned on the right hand of the page to ex. Atlanticwall or some of the placemarks.

Or use the search function and see....a lot of pictures are at hand.

Just as a new years gift to you all - Happy new year :D

Regards
Kurt
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Post by M19 MADMAL » 31 Dec 2007 13:26

NICE GIFT 8O 8O 8O :D 8-)

Cheers Kurt :D

Needless to say 'My Pictures' has just filled up on my pc :lol:

There is a photo of my old M19 model on the site (see below) 8-) I had forgotten how badly damaged the room was before it was re-concreted :o You can even see the bars which attach the spreader plates to the turret. . . Memories :)



Happy New year to you all :D

Malcolm :wink:
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Post by P. Heijkoop » 31 Dec 2007 16:50

Hi Malcolm,

Nice work on the M19 mark 1 ;-)

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Post by M19 MADMAL » 31 Dec 2007 18:35

Hi all,

:idea: Prehaps we could compile a list of all the M19 bunkers along the Atlantik/West and East walls :idea:

Such as bunker type, is the weapon and/or cupola left, is the site buried/accessable etc, a mirror image or SK and any other interesting features

Prehaps try to make a 'devinitive' list 8-)

I will start the list with the examples in the Channel Islands and prehaps others will add?? :D :wink:

Location: Stp. Corbiere. Jersey
Type: Early Type 633
Special features: Linked to a Type 634 via a underground connecting corridor. Observers open position. Second escape shaft in ammunition room. No crew room entrance defence loophole.
Today: All original steel fittings removed. Currently under restoration.

Location: Stp. Krähennest. Chouet. Guernsey
Type: Early Type 633
Special Features: No crew room entrance defence loophole
Today: All original steel removed. Partly flooded and buried

Location: Stp.Großfels. Grands Rocques. Guernsey.
Type: Early Type 633
Special features: ???
Today: All original steel removed. Buried

Location: Stp. Rotenstein. Fort Hommet. Guernsey.
Type: Early Type 633
Special features: No crew room entrance defence loophole
Today: All original steel removed (Still contains the 'Schwungscheibe' box). Buried.

Location: Stp. Reichenberg. Fort Richmond. Guernsey
Type: Early Type 633
Special features: Only the turret and surpporting room below were constructed
Today: Turret removed for scrap and foundations buried.

Location: Stp.Langenburg. Fort Saumarez. Guernsey
Type: Early Type 633
Special features: ???
Today: All original steel work removed except for some ventilation equipment still in place and 'chunks' of the weapon platform in ammo room (1992). Buried and flooded.

Location: Wn. Müllerhof. Bonne Terre. Alderney
Type: 633
Special features: Entrance defence room is fitted with a Type 7P7 plate
Today: All original steel work removed. Open and accessable.

Location: Stp. Steinbruch. Mannez. Alderney
Type: 633
Special features: Entrance defence room is fitted with a Type 7P7 plate. Stairway in ventilation room that goes to a passage which ends under the Tobruk pit.
Today: 1 original door left (turret room) all other steel removed. Open and accessable.

Anybody else care to add :)

Malcolm :wink:

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