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Re: 5cm Maschinengranatwerfer M19

Post by M19 MADMAL » 29 Jul 2008 22:02

Hi all,

Does anybody know if the M19 is still in place in the Cite d'Aleth at St. Malo and was its turret used as a 'Test Target' like the 6-Shartenturmen by the Americans once the Germans has surrendered?


I have found the position of it in the middle of the fort but as it's buried there is nothing to see :(
:idea: As it's a campsite I could put a tent over it and start digging :lol:

Thanks in advance :)

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Re: 5cm Maschinengranatwerfer M19

Post by P. Heijkoop » 29 Jul 2008 22:54

Malcolm,

As far as I know it's still a big ???? wether the m19 is
still in place. The turret got a hollow charge during one
of the attacks on the Cité. How far the weapons was damaged is not
documented. Also, now the bunker is only 'accesible' via a climbing
shaft up from the tunnel system. Unfortantely the wooden staircace
has rotted away and as far as I know noone managed to climb up there
(at least I never heard of it).

Peter

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Re: 5cm Maschinengranatwerfer M19

Post by JTG » 29 Jul 2008 23:34

Well. that's one to do: collapsible ladders 'r US!

Welcome to borrow mine, Mal.

PS I'll foot it.. if it takes you:...!

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Re: 5cm Maschinengranatwerfer M19

Post by M19 MADMAL » 01 Aug 2008 16:47

Hi all,

Anybody know what went 'here' in the corner of the ammunition room ???

There is a wire and fuse that goes to 'it' from the junction box next to the Schwungscheibe which I have seen in most 633's

:idea: My money would be on a large battery for the 24 volt turret system.
Can anybody confirm this or have any ideas :?

Malcolm :wink:
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Re: 5cm Maschinengranatwerfer M19

Post by M19 MADMAL » 02 Aug 2008 12:44

JTG wrote:Well. that's one to do: collapsible ladders 'r US!



John
Mmmm. sounds like a plan.
But do they collapse when you are half way up :lol:
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Re: 5cm Maschinengranatwerfer M19

Post by Feind-hort-mit » 26 Apr 2009 21:33

It certainly does belong to "a collector in Guernsey" Malcolm..yes it's me again..Ian .
Not sure if these pics were taken by me, but it certainly did come from Jersey via P.le.V's collectors shop..a good few years ago, took quite some doing to get it back in li'l Joey .
Couldn't believe it, t'was just sitting there on it's side on the floor, read the top plate and thought Bl**dy hell how much must that be worth..£35'ish ..bargain ..bought .
Might end up in our M19 if Paul gets the go ahead to open up Fort Hoummet, along with the Loading table (in MNO at the mo), yes it was my Citroen that almost collapsed under the weight of transporting "that Bench" all those years ago .
Once again, sorry to have taken the Jersey item out of Jersey, was suprised that P.le V hadn't asked if anyone wanted it before selling it in the shop.
Cheers all..Ian "Feind-hort-mit"



M19 MADMAL wrote:Hi all,

Some photos of a tool chest for the M19.

(had these photos for years and I think it belongs to a collector in Guernsey :? )

Enjoy :D

Malcolm :wink:

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Re: 5cm Maschinengranatwerfer M19

Post by M19 MADMAL » 26 Apr 2009 21:55

Feind-hort-mit wrote:It certainly does belong to "a collector in Guernsey" Malcolm..yes it's me again..Ian .
Not sure if these pics were taken by me, but it certainly did come from Jersey via P.le.V's collectors shop..a good few years ago, took quite some doing to get it back in li'l Joey .
Couldn't believe it, t'was just sitting there on it's side on the floor, read the top plate and thought Bl**dy hell how much must that be worth..£35'ish ..bargain ..bought .
8O So in all likely-hood it came from 'MY' M19 bunker :x
Feind-hort-mit wrote:Once again, sorry to have taken the Jersey item out of Jersey, was suprised that P.le V hadn't asked if anyone wanted it before selling it in the shop.
:o P. le. V is also my cousin :x

:lol: :lol: :lol: You can't win them all!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:

The photos came from Terry O'Brien. I'm guessing you won't part so is there any chance of getting the size of the crate so I can make a copy for La Corbiere :D

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Re: 5cm Maschinengranatwerfer M19

Post by Feind-hort-mit » 27 Apr 2009 22:42

How do malcolm :D ,
PM'd you elsewhere mate :wink: , dimensions coming up when I can get to it...in the loft :roll: !!.
Cheers Ian "Feind-hort-mit"

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Re: 5cm Maschinengranatwerfer M19

Post by M19 MADMAL » 28 Oct 2009 21:48

Feind-hort-mit wrote:It certainly does belong to "a collector in Guernsey"....... Might end up in our M19 if Paul gets the go ahead to open up Fort Hoummet, along with the Loading table.......
A BIG thank you 'Feind-hort-mit' for parting with the M19 tool chest after a lot of bartering! :D
Always great to bring an original Stp. Corbiere item back home 8-)

I hear you guys (Guernsey) have got the go ahead to open up the 633 at Fort Hommet but are also plannng to re-build a replica turret :o Better get my turret fitted first so I can put the M19 tool chest in it :P Nothing like a bit of healthy inter-island competition, btw have you 'broken the news' yet that the crate is back in Jersey? :lol: :wink:

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Re: 5cm Maschinengranatwerfer M19

Post by Feind-hort-mit » 28 Oct 2009 22:43

Took you long enough to put some pics up Malcolm !! 8O , a few of the chaps are aware of the swap :( , however they are happy for me to have the Phone etc to copy for there site, we all win me thinks.
What they have to do is get the rivetted-on instructions..from the winder box back..from the chap who wrenched them off on the last trip inside !!, plus..unless memory fails..Ian has a big Bolt fom the same trip..will help hold it all together :lol: :lol: .
Cheers again mate, Ian (feind-hort-mit).


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Re: 5cm Maschinengranatwerfer M19

Post by M19 MADMAL » 28 Oct 2009 23:05

Hi Ian,
Feind-hort-mit wrote:Took you long enough to put some pics up Malcolm !! 8O , a few of the chaps are aware of the swap :( , however they are happy for me to have the Phone etc to copy for there site, we all win me thinks.
Been 'busy'! You know how it is :roll: Yes an all win situation :D
Feind-hort-mit wrote:What they have to do is get the rivetted-on instructions..from the winder box back..from the chap who wrenched them off on the last trip inside !!, plus..unless memory fails..Ian has a big Bolt fom the same trip..will help hold it all together :lol: :lol: .
Who nicked those plates from the Schwungscheibe (winder box)???
I wouldn't mind getting my hands on the cut up M19 turret floor sections in the photo below which are still in the 633 at Stp. Langenburg......but you would know where to look first! :lol:

Regards,
Malcolm :wink:
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Post by Feind-hort-mit » 03 Nov 2009 20:42

Hello Kurt :) ..I know it's a while ago, but I wonder if you are the photographer / owner of the interior M19 pics on the linked page ?.
I would like to link to one of them to a thread containing the info on the linienfernsprecher.
Thankyou for your time, Regards..Ian "feind-hort-mit"
kstdk wrote:Hello

Here a link to Google Earth pictures, in case you did not know there are a lot of interesting pictures on Googel Earth 8O

http://www.panoramio.com/user/177991/tags/M%2019

Here about the M19 from Hanstholm and Fanø, Denmark - where WE also have a couple of this still existing aperatus left. 8O 8-)

Be sure to follow the tags mentioned on the right hand of the page to ex. Atlanticwall or some of the placemarks.

Or use the search function and see....a lot of pictures are at hand.

Just as a new years gift to you all - Happy new year :D

Regards
Kurt
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Re: 5cm Maschinengranatwerfer M19

Post by Feind-hort-mit » 03 Nov 2009 20:56

"I wouldn't mind getting my hands on the cut up M19 turret floor sections in the photo below which are still in the 633 at Stp. Langenburg......but you would know where to look first! :lol:
Regards,
Malcolm :wink:"
I do not know what your eluding to Malcolm . 8O ..no I really don't..I wasn't on that..um..trip inside :x .

So much equipment will be required for the M19 if it all goes to "Festung Guernseys" plan.
I have to mention that PB was horrified to hear about the missing toolbox, but instead they now have the linienfernsprecher to copy, good luck to them I say..it's taken a good while for them to get the okay, and all the lads have been doing such a great job at Scharnhorst..(although I havn't been up there yet !!)..i'm sure they can do a great job on the M19.
Cheers for now..Ian "feind-hort-mit".

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Re: 5cm Maschinengranatwerfer M19

Post by M19 MADMAL » 03 Nov 2009 23:42

Feind-hort-mit wrote:So much equipment will be required for the M19 if it all goes to "Festung Guernseys" plan.
Hi Ian,

It sure will be a major job for Festung Guernsey as the M19 at Fort Hommet has far more severe structural damage caused by the removal of the turret than Stp. Corbiere's plus the turret room here was still accessable and roofed over, not completely back filled like Guernsey's :( But if anybody can pull off such a major restoration project then the Festung Guernsey Team can, look at the restoration of Batterie Scharnhorst, Batterie Dollmann etc 8-)

A few of us from Stp. Corbiere are planning to come over to give Festung Guernsey team a hand on the 'big dig' when it happens (spanners in hand! :lol: :wink: )

Below are 2 photos from when the 633 at Fort Hommet was opened in January 1996 for inspection and taken from CIOS Review No. 24.

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Re: 5cm Maschinengranatwerfer M19

Post by Feind-hort-mit » 03 Nov 2009 23:58

How do Malcolm :D .
It's Richard Heaume (in the hat) of the "World Famous - Richard Heaume Experience" :roll: :roll: .
My pictures again.. 8-) , any republishing / copyright fees coming my way :lol: .
Any help you can give them will be much appreciated i'm sure..but with your hands in your pockets (just in case of any missing M19 things) how do you intend to help them :lol:.
Ian B has my original set of pics, when I get them back.. :( :roll: I will scan them and post if anyone wants to see them ?.
Cheers for now..Ian. "feind-hort-mit".

ps, Malcolm, do you know who took the M19 in situ pics / previous question ?, copyright / re-use question etc ?.

pps, Just think..RH could have bought an M19 instead of his 4.7cm..wrong decision maybe ??.


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