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Post by monkeynuts54 » 24 Jan 2007 16:13

but is the area open to the public yet :?

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Post by moonraker » 24 Jan 2007 18:50

hello,monkeynuts54
no the battery is allways closed! not licence for open!The city hall of grand- camp drags!
em :wink:

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Post by monkeynuts54 » 24 Jan 2007 19:08

hi moonraker :D thanks for the reply I know I am new to the forum but the wealth of information on here is fantastic going to Normandy again in June was hoping to visit Maisey but never mind wil have to wait :cry: .............seems a waiste but typical beurocrates ..................Steve.

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Post by dando » 07 Feb 2007 01:27

Dear Mr Chazette

It appears that you dont like me - its interesting because you have never met me. I can only judge you by what you write....

You have never seen me write a newspaper article talking about Armstrong on the moon or other such nonesence but you appear to want to make out that I have actually said these things. ? Do you really believe everything you read in the papers ?

So... lets get a few things straight and stop all the one sided character assination. I did NOT find any German bodies at Maisy - but the French national press said i found 4 of them... !

I didnt say the site had never been found by anyone else before - I have NEVER said that.

I didnt say that I was the first person to find it etc. .... do you want me to continue.... or do you get the point.

You, Moonbeam and others - especially the newspaper are putting words into my mouth and while its rather infantile in some I would have thought you to be a little more learnered that than.

If you dont know me personally then stop making comments about what I have said - if you didnt hear me say it then its probably complete Bo**LOCKS. The papers thrive on simpletons believing what they write. To Moonraker I see you are mocking me on all forums - who are you ? What do you do for a living ?

But... lets play along with your game for a little while shall we.

You signed yourself on another forum recently as "A Chazette (non specialiste de ce maillon de l'Atlantikwall)" - dosent that mean that you are saying you are NOT an expert in this area of the Atlantic Wall ? But you knock what I have done as if you are one.?!

How much did you write in your definitive book on the Atlantic Wall about Maisy..... was it 4 lines of text in a book covering the full Atlantic Wall - not very good. In England we would say "try harder next time".

You probably used Tarot cards to see what was there perhaps judging by your map ?

Not a very detailed situation for a site which is comparable in size to most others and indeed much bigger than many along the invasion coast. Take Mervile - much smaller. Take Longue sur mer - half the size. Take Pointe du Hoc. smaller, Crisbecq - smaller. Azerville - much smaller. Brecort Manor, Holdy, smaller etc. shall I go on. ?

I wonder if you could inform me where you or ANYONE ELSE has ever mentioned the hospital I dug up on the site for example.? I am sure you and Moonbeam will have known about it for years and never written about it anywhere.

Can you tell me what the largest building on the site is ? the reason I ask is that I havent dug it up yet ? Here is an opportunity for ANYONE to tell us all what that building is as it is still buried under 1 metre of soil. Please all you experts tell me what the building is ?

Its easy to sit in your chair and mock what you dont have full knowledge of... I think you have a degree of upset because you simply didnt do a good job in your book of covering Maisy Battery and now you are a little embarrassed perhaps ?

Did you know that the 5th Rangers lost 19 men and took 5 hours to take the site. You propably do now because its on my website - where else is it written ?

I do know where the 50mm gun platform at the front of the site is... you have been told on another forum also where it is. The rear one I have not yet found - your map is not accurate.

Perhaps you can visit and show me where it is as you drew it on your plan... but its not where you drew it because I have dug up that end of the field looking for it. ? Did you guess or use Tarot cards in your map ?

To the person asking where I got my information from... I have many sources and have been studying Maisy for many years - all these debates about Maisy are only months old. Marc Laurenceau has seen much of the paperwork and photos as have others on his forum - ask them if I am using sensible informaton or not - but dont play games suggesting that I havent done my homework. Do you have the US G3 reports for 3 days from Omaha Beach stating in black and white MAISY BATTERY firing at Omaha Beach ? Do you have the RAF attack reports for Maisy 6th -8th June? Do you have the USAF, RCAF, FF bombing reports ? if you dont then why not ?

How many 5th Rangers have you met ? How many have given you items they took from Maisy ? How many are your friends ? Did you know Major Sullivan won his DSC for Omaha, Pointe du Hoc and Battery Maisy ?

I have Dan Farleys Bronze Star for the action at Maisy - did you know that ? I guess NO is the answer TO ALL THE ABOVE.

The photograph is supposed to be Maisy on the website ? OK please tell me where it was taken from ?

I have no buildings with a sloping concrete entrance. I know the the Medics in the 5th did NOT have red crosses on their helmets because the Germans shot at them. Medic Jack Burke is a personal friend of mine and I asked him this week. None of the people in the picture have RANGERS insignia that I can see on their jackets and none have a RANGERS diamond on the rear of their helmets. NICE try but not good enough. Try again with another picture.

To the idiot who says well done "Gary thought he had found something undiscovered" read the above - more fool you for believing the papers. I bet you read the Sun which said I had found previously hidden bunkers full of gear !! it says more about you than me. I repeat - if you havent heard me say it then dont lower yourselves to repeat it.

Finally Mr Chazette - I know that you have refused to visit Maisy to discuss the evidence I have... I wonder why... perhaps you will have to update your book. I am sure Heimdal would want a complete book on the Atlantic Wall next time. Perhaps a reader of this can write one in future. Someone sensible like Dirk Peeters perhaps.

I made the same offer to Patrick Ellie to visit and he seems to take delight in talking about me on forums also.... he too declined to come and visit. He thinks a quick look over the site when my back was turned was enough to tell him all he knows...

The site at Maisy will be open soon this year and anyone else with an open mind can come and see what Mr Chazette missed in his book and what Patrick Ellie denies is a site of any importance.

The site will speak for itself and anyone with an ounce of common sense will have a look at the place before passing comment. IF I AM WRONG THEN YOU CAN ALL QUOTE ME AS HAVING SAID IT. If not then do me the courtesy of not misquoting me.

I am more than happy to discuss the site with anyone sensible who has something to contribute to the debate.

One last thing... 2 years ago ONLY 2 websites mentioned Maisy.... now there are thousands... I wonder why that is and why you are having to defend 4 lines of text in your book so vigorously?

Maisy can defend herself just as well now as she did in 1944.

Gary Sterne
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Post by dando » 07 Feb 2007 01:34

monkeynuts54 wrote:but is the area open to the public yet :?

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Post by AvB » 07 Feb 2007 11:57

Dear Gary,

The whole thing is that 'the Maisy battery' as you call it is just one of many inland batteries along the entire Atlantikwall.
4 lines of text in Mr Chazette's book is actually rather much because lots of places aren't mentioned at all!
Every Festung along the wall has experienced heavy fights and thousands of both Allied and German soldiers lost their lives
when attacking or defending this bunkers too.
As an Atlantikwall visitor I would list your battery in my database as:
1 x 502
1 x 622
6 x open emplacement
Several Vf
Several covered trenches
Several Tobruks.

That's a regular battery you can find anywhere.
It's great you dig up the buildings and restore them.
For non-specialists that's a great oppurtunity to see a medium German battery.
Do you have the US G3 reports for 3 days from Omaha Beach stating in black and white MAISY BATTERY firing at Omaha Beach ? Do you have the RAF attack reports for Maisy 6th -8th June? Do you have the USAF, RCAF, FF bombing reports ?
Again and again, do check some German documents too. (Baufortschrittkarten, Bauprogramma, Kriegstagebuch whatever is available).
At Maisy you have Perregues and St Martinière, two seperate batteries. Which one fired?

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Post by dando » 07 Feb 2007 12:43

Hi

I quite agree with what you are saying. I think the point of what I was trying to say was this... 1) lots of people are taking about what I have done and dont know the full facts. 2) making personal statements and attributing them to me is not productive - in fact its plain childish.
Also what you said about the bunkers is not quite accurate either.
Did you know there is a hospital at Maisy?
Did you know the German regional payroll was stored there and captured by the Rangers?
There are 2 x 622 bunkers at Les Perruques alone.
And also as I said the largest bunker is still buried as I have not uncovered it yet.
So... with all due respect you didnt have all the facts either - you must see it for yourself.

As for the archives I do have some information from Germany.... the problem is that everytime someone puts something on one of these forums whether its true or not everyone else believes it and the story changes. All the reports and details vary between the French archives, US, British and German...

I have gone from the first hand evidence of finding items such as German 150mm fuses / 155mm French fuses. 105mm German steel shell cases, 37mm flak rounds etc. and obviously studying the aerial reconnaissance photographs.

I take all that and the Rangers evidence more seriously than paperwork stored miles away which is at odds with what has been found.

I have lots more evidence to justify anything I have ACTUALLY said. Nothing to justify the invented stuff sorry.

As I say, I am more than happy to discuss it with people at the site and let them make up their own minds. Its just the people who havent been that you need to dismiss. When they have been they can speak about it. Just looking at a field will not give you the true story - you need to be briefed as to what is where.

I uncovered 2 gun pits from beneath 1.5metres of soil. None of your people on this forum saw them before that unless they were around in 194o's when it was buried. Or the hospital which was buried also. Plus the bases of the kitchen, eating area and other buildings which still remain. They were also 3 metres down.

Anyone visiting the site over 1 year ago will NOT have seen it all - I guarantee it.

So if you come and see it shortly you will see a site with all its original trenches and most of its buildings and make up your own mind as to the size and useage of it.

You must also remember that Pointe du Hoc did not fire at anyone on D-day - Maisy was firing for 3 days.

As to your other question... I am not going to go into the reasons why the site was controlled by one officer as I have done so many times. Suffice to say he stayed in the Chateau at Gefosse. One battery - two different objectives with a Captain running the two areas and his CO above the two. (I have his full details. Who he was, where he stayed in Maisy, his leutenant etc.)

Come and see for yourself - we will be open around Easter.

Gary

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Post by moonraker » 07 Feb 2007 14:09

Not a very detailed situation for a site which is comparable in size to most others and indeed much bigger than many along the invasion coast. Take Mervile - much smaller. Take Longue sur mer - half the size. Take Pointe du Hoc. smaller, Crisbecq - smaller. Azerville - much smaller. Brecort Manor, Holdy, smaller etc. shall I go on. ?

hello mister sterne,
To begin, me to say bravo to have to save this place has the discharge of garbage as it was devenu.for the pleuple it is good to see this battery in his original vision.
But is indeed still you who to speak that maisy is bigger than quite the batterys of the sector D Day.je do not invent him! why remain to prop up?
This place WN83 and WN84 are two place indeed to separate one of the other one, and are only batterys of the divisional artillery 1716.
For the plan in book alian chazette, SHM the plan is false for your info.le SHM made many error on plusior sector.
Indeed laurenceau marc with its forum DDAY, ruled the roost, everything that he does not want to hear gets rid of messages , very well for a forum of discution.
I would say rather a forum of dictator.
If the media one to tell stories in newspapers he( one not to invent, he knows it anything in bunker, thus somebody has them to speak?
ètienne
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Post by dando » 07 Feb 2007 14:18

monkeynuts54 wrote:but is the area open to the public yet :?

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Post by dando » 07 Feb 2007 14:23

Well lets see when people visit and ask me, I will explain all. As I said before I have discussed at length about the 2 batteries and it will take too long to continue it with you. If I am wrong then tell me on the site. After all you were all dismissing Maisy completely 2 years ago and now everyone talks about it and has an opinion. History is about the sharing of information and expanding of knowledge. I am happy to show people what information I have and they can draw their own conclusions. Please come and visit in April and we can discuss it further - what else more can I say...keep an open mind. Maisy might surprise you.

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Post by AvB » 07 Feb 2007 14:40

Hi Gary,

Maybe it's not your opinion but I still think that I can tell which Widerstandsnest is which by looking at the German maps I have without having to be there physically.
For example, the Afsluitdijk in Holland. There're 3 Wn on this dike. Wn 26HL (Den Oever), Wn 27L (Breezand) and Wn 27aH (Kornwerderzand).
This is just a random pick in the complete Atlantikwall. Now I can't state that 26HL and 27L are the same complex because they have different numbers.
The batteries at Perregues and St Martinière are two different batteries, they have nothing to do with eachother.
What do we have to tell on the site?
History is about the sharing of information and expanding of knowledge
Completely true, so why don't you accept some of our information.
Axis History Forum is at the highest level of Atlantikwall research on the internet.

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Post by dando » 07 Feb 2007 15:32

Dear Sir

You admit you live in Holland and can see all you need to from there - I am impressed ?!... firstly the sites are called Les Perruques and La Martiniere - not the ones you have on your map which are spelt wrong.

You instantly see my point. You are getting the names wrong all the way from Holland so how can you tell me they are not linked by trenches which are still visible ?.

As I have repeatedly said I am not going to keep going over the reasons why the site was run by the same people its getting boring. You can see they are different on your map so you are entitled to your opinion.

What I have been saying is this.. they are different WN's clearly and correctly no debate ever about that. But they were under the command of the same officers and are linked within the wire and mines by trenches and tunnels... if thats not connected then I will eat my hat.

I have already given out evidence on the Rangers moving from one area to the other within the wire with their half tracks to collect wounded and move prisoners so this line of thread gets boring now.

No more answers to the connected question its not about WN's its about the officers commanding that connect the two places. Thats how they are connected - I hope thats now clear.

Gary

PS I dont know what this means - "What do we have to tell on the site?"

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Post by monkeynuts54 » 07 Feb 2007 16:05

Hi Gary I am not in any means a expert but I love visiting and photographing sites like this ,It is great to think people are still taking time to preserve items of importance instead of bulldozing them.I will visiting in June and I cannot wait there seems to many purists on this forum somtimes ....................maybe some are just jealous who knows ...............keep up the good work .....Steve. :D

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Post by bunker14 » 07 Feb 2007 17:29

dando wrote:Not a very detailed situation for a site which is comparable in size to most others and indeed much bigger than many along the invasion coast. Take Mervile - much smaller. Take Longue sur mer - half the size. Take Pointe du Hoc. smaller, Crisbecq - smaller. Azerville - much smaller. Brecort Manor, Holdy, smaller etc. shall I go on. ?
hi

are you sure about that????

Merville is biger as Maisy.., and pointe du hoc ,Longues, azeville .. are larger than Maisy.
dando wrote:.. . But they were under the command of the same officers and are linked within the wire and mines by trenches and tunnels... if thats not connected then I will eat my hat.
ok so can you prove it?? have you pictures or other document about trenchs end tunnels between the two battery????

ben



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Post by Mats » 07 Feb 2007 17:37

Hi Gary!

I will com at the end of May and hope that it will be open then. Could you please give me the adress to your web-site so that I can keep me informed there?

Best regards from Sweden
Mats

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