L 483 and L 484 in France

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Post by SES » 03 May 2007 05:22

Hi Erik,
Are you sure your SK is a Nachrichten bunker and not a Flg.Hrst. Gef.Std. ? If so what did the Gef.Std look like on the airfields you mentioned?
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Post by Erik E » 03 May 2007 07:10

Hallo SES!

According to the buildinglists all these airports had R 608 as Gefechtsstände, and so far we confirmed the precence of such bunkers on three of the four mentioned airports

Lista:
R 608 Fliegerhorst Gefechtsstand
R 608 Jägerbereitschaft Gefechtsstand

Sola:
R 608 Jägerbereitschaft Gefechtsstand
SK Gefechtsstand (Old style from 1940-41)

Banak:
R 608 Fliegerhorst Gefechtsstand
R 608 Jägerbereitschaft Gefechtsstand

At Gossen, no Gefechtsstand found so far..... but there is still a F.u.F SK on the buildinglists.

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Post by SES » 03 May 2007 07:46

Hi Erik,
Thanks a lot. That coincides with the pattern in Denmark. The original Flg.Hrst. (Frederikshavn, Aalb-West and See, Ry,Grove and Esbjerg) had the model 1940 SK, the "new" ones (Tristrup, Vandel, Hadersleben and Odense) used a 608 as Gef.Std. I haven't got the faintest idea about what was used at Værløse.
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Post by stril » 03 May 2007 08:07

Hello
The list provided by Jos in another tread mention a 622 as Jägerbereitschaft Gefechtsstand at Herdla.
There is one buildt, thats for sure and its should be "easy" to find out what kind it is. Anyone that wants to know just have to use a day or two with shovels. :lol:
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Post by SES » 03 May 2007 17:26

Erik E wrote:Hallo!

Here is a drawing of the SK which was atleast built at the airports Lista, Sola, Gossen & Banak....
The generator would be placed on the four concrete pylons you see in the top left room.

Erik
Hi,
This bunker screams L 4??, is it noted in the BfM jut as an SK?
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Post by Erik E » 03 May 2007 19:53

This bunker screams L 4??, is it noted in the BfM jut as an SK?
I fully agree, but it seems like it never got any regelbau number even if its found spread over entire Norway...With over 2000Km distance :-)

The latest date I`ve seen it mentioned is 10 Jan.1945, when its listed as "Fernsprech- u. Fernschriebvermittlung L/S.K" in a document made by Festungspionierkommandeur XV.

It should be noted that the same AF had a L 489 (Blown up 1944)

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Post by jopaerya » 10 May 2007 19:37

Hello All

Found a other one in Pas de Calais W.N. 164 Blitz with a Funksendezentrale ,
but I can't find the W.N. who can help me or knows that if there were any buildings ?
Sorry but I was not possible to make the map clearer then this .

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Post by Heim62 » 10 May 2007 21:17

Hello Jos,
The Wn164 Blitz is the Caffiers Flugplatz (between Guines and Marquise) in 1943. I don't know if there are some Buildings there.

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Post by jopaerya » 11 May 2007 06:05

Thanks R.V.

I will look in this new infformation

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Post by P. Heijkoop » 11 May 2007 10:45

Regarding the unknown bunker at Saint-Jacques airfield. This is a Regelbau 618.
A newly posted picture on atlantikwall.superforum.fr shows all the antenneshafts (obsucred by earlier pictures). Also the two chimeys "fit" ..

Interesting to see the bunker was not equiped with a overhang above the Nahkampfscharte... Not typical for Heer.


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Post by SES » 11 May 2007 10:57

Hi Peter,
Isen't the bunker mirror imaged, and since it is on an airfield can we not assume it was used by the Luftwaffe as FuSZ?
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Post by P. Heijkoop » 11 May 2007 11:57

Hai SES,

Indeed mirror image. A function as FuSZ could fit, however seeing the importance of Rennes in the communication net a Meldekopf could also be possible. Especially because I found several references that Meldekopfe in the AOK7 sector where the 617 and 618s (also planned ones which were later replaced by 617s or 622s) were often used for Heer, Navy and Luftwaffe together. So a Meldekopf-bunker could fit on a airfield.
I will check tonight my telephone lists to see if there are any indications of a LV, MV, or HV near St.Jacques, besides the Jafü Bretagne...

What also implies a Meldekopf-function is that until now no bomb-proof FuSZ or FuSS
has been identified in the whole of France. Also, I suspect none or only a few (perhaps Norway) 618s were built by the Luftwaffe...

Do you know if the antenne-openings on the 618 would be usable for the cables or configuration that is normally assoiated with a FuSS, FuSZ; ergo see the specific antennashafts of a L484, L483 etc... How were the antenna cables fed out of a L489 ?

For all:
Please see the attached picture and look at the antenneshafts, which will
show its a 618 :

http://www.absa39-45.asso.fr/StJacques/ ... rennes.jpg

As you can see on the right side of the bunker there are 6 antenneshafts in one row. This is only done with the 618 .. Also all the other antenneshafts fit with the locations of standard 618-design.

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Post by SES » 11 May 2007 12:00

Hi,
Standy by to be carpet-bombed with FuSZ & FuSS locations.
Please see attachments. Source Hoffmann II/2 and RL 9/43. I have a full listing of equipment for the sites in Norway, should anyone be interested.
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Post by stril » 11 May 2007 12:13

Hello
Fløen in Bergen ? Is that Fløen, or Fløien ? (we have both..)
Fredriksberg I and II ? Bergen oder ? Had some LW radioguys at that place.
Would of course be interested in the equipment. Some years ago there was a load of pictures sold of soem of these places in Norway. Luckily most was sold to Norway. I have a few pages printed with those pictures. I find them and see if they match the locations provided.
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