L 483 and L 484 in France

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Post by SES » 11 May 2007, 13:59

P. Heijkoop wrote:Hai SES,

What also implies a Meldekopf-function is that until now no bomb-proof FuSZ or FuSS
has been identified in the whole of France. Also, I suspect none or only a few (perhaps Norway) 618s were built by the Luftwaffe...

Do you know if the antenne-openings on the 618 would be usable for the cables or configuration that is normally assoiated with a FuSS, FuSZ; ergo see the specific antennashafts of a L484, L483 etc... How were the antenna cables fed out of a L489 ?
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If you look at the map Jos provided there is a unit called Flu.Si.Hot.St this could also be a candidate for the 618.
As far as I can establish there were no antennas mounted on a L 489. On the L 483 the cables were fed through reinforced walls and it is my assessment, that the masts were mounted directly on the walls, but I have never seen a photo of this.
Please see attachments, which are the L 483 and 489 at Grove.
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Post by P. Heijkoop » 11 May 2007, 14:31

Hi,

If you look at the map Jos provided there is a unit called Flu.Si.Hot.St this could also be a candidate for the 618.

Could be. But I suppose the 'o' is actually a 'p' (bad copy). So a Flu.Si.Hpt.St.

As far as I can establish there were no antennas mounted on a L 489. On the L 483 the

Could the shafts be omitted on the plan?
Did anyone check the exterior of the bunker in real-life
(or is this part covered with earth (I think on Grove it is)

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Post by SES » 11 May 2007, 14:55

Hi Peter,
On Grove the "antenna" part of the L 483 is not earth covered as the rest of the bunker. All the cable shafts are visible. The L 489 is earth covered on all sides except the entrance. Judging from aerial photos that is the way it has always been. Also note that on the 483 and 484, which had antennas mounted, room 80 has 2,5 m walls, whereas room 80 in the 489 has 2 m walls only. I interpret the reinforced walls as typical German over-kill in order to support the antenna.
And I agree on the Flug.Sich.Hpt.Stelle. You know that the similar facility in Klitmøller was a complete Bunker-Dorf.
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Post by SES » 11 May 2007, 17:41

stril wrote:Hello
Fløen in Bergen ? Is that Fløen, or Fløien ? (we have both..)
Fredriksberg I and II ? Bergen oder ? Had some LW radioguys at that place.
Would of course be interested in the equipment. Some years ago there was a load of pictures sold of soem of these places in Norway. Luckily most was sold to Norway. I have a few pages printed with those pictures. I find them and see if they match the locations provided.
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Hi,
The German spelling is Floen and it is in the same general area as Gardemoen.
Frederiksberg I & II was in the Narvik-Moen area.
I am of course very interested in pictures from these locations.
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Post by stril » 11 May 2007, 19:54

Hello
The German spelling is Floen and it is in the same general area as Gardemoen.
Frederiksberg I & II was in the Narvik-Moen area.
Nothing between Sola-Land and Trondheim..? :)
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Post by SES » 11 May 2007, 20:44

Hi,
I don't know if this fit the bill but I missed:
FuSZ ?löfta.
FuSZ Flöyen (near Bergen).
FuSZ Ekkeberg.
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Post by Erik E » 11 May 2007, 21:39

Hallo
FuSZ ?löfta
This has to be Klöfta (Kløfta) on the eastside of Oslo

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Post by SES » 11 May 2007, 21:55

Hi,
I won't agrue with a native over the geography of his country.
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Post by dahiot daniel » 11 May 2007, 22:01

Hello,


Here a discovery today by a friend, this rather important bunker located at the west of the first. Unknown model.

http://www.absa39-45.asso.fr/StJacques/ ... ennes2.jpg

Voir photo aérienne. http://www.absa39-45.asso.fr/StJacques/ ... unkers.jpg


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Post by SES » 11 May 2007, 22:08

Hi Dan,
How many more St bunkers do you have on that airfield? I have no idea about the type, it looks like a crew bunker.
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Post by P. Heijkoop » 11 May 2007, 23:40

Hi,

this is a 502. A second one is located to the southeast.
Also, another large bunker (or actually two) with tobruk (and nahkampfraum?) is/are located on a chateaugrounds
nearby. Could well be another comm. bunker

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Post by dahiot daniel » 12 May 2007, 14:34

SES wrote:Hi Dan,
How many more St bunkers do you have on that airfield? I have no idea about the type, it looks like a crew bunker.
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Hi SES,

Here in a new page, all the known bunkers of the airfield of St Jacques. Anton, electric Power station, 2 R 502, R 618 ?.
The other bunkers are different tobroucks, I would add the photographs the next week.

http://www.absa39-45.asso.fr/StJacques/ ... cques.html

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Post by P. Heijkoop » 12 May 2007, 15:17

Daniel.,

The bunker for the electricity was also a 502. The shape and size shows that.

The other 502 (besides the one close to the 618) I meantioned is north of Le Reynel

There should alos be bunkers on the grounds of château le Pérelle

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Post by SES » 12 May 2007, 16:54

Hi Dan & Peter,
Thaks a lot. Dan you may want to mention that the L 479 did not belong to the airfield, but was the GefStd of the Jafü.
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Post by dahiot daniel » 12 May 2007, 17:18

Peter,

Pérelle, high Pérelle, not of castle? Ferme de la Pérelle.

But there was a transmitter, a radio beacon. All buildings one be démollis. And yet this place is always not built. I think of finding photographs with the files of the air bases in Rennes.

Which possible type of bunker in Pérelle.

Not found this place on my plans Reynel. Have a scanne your plan.

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