7.5 cm F.K.M. 97 in Lafette C 39

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Re: 7.5 cm F.K.M. 97 in Lafette C 39

Post by Dili » 12 Jan 2015 23:14

Black Sea . Maybe some ship that made the Black Sea- Aegean route.

I was informed that the German ships in Mediterranean could have had the red/white strips.

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Re: 7.5 cm F.K.M. 97 in Lafette C 39

Post by Urmel » 12 Jan 2015 23:53

That's a KT, some of these were sent through the Bosphorus.
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Re: 7.5 cm F.K.M. 97 in Lafette C 39

Post by Dili » 13 Jan 2015 16:04

Maybe but still don't understand the bow. A KT didn't had a mast in the bow.

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Re: 7.5 cm F.K.M. 97 in Lafette C 39

Post by Urmel » 13 Jan 2015 17:01

It did. A 30-ton derrick. The rear of one of the photos says 'Mid-43 - visit to a finished KT'. Probably KT40, which was launched in March 43 and commissioned in August 43 as UJ102.
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Re: 7.5 cm F.K.M. 97 in Lafette C 39

Post by Dili » 13 Jan 2015 18:21

That last photo that Jos linked is clearely a KT it has the exausts typical of a KT , in this KT photo in red i note the place from that photo was taken.

Now the first photo i can't place from where the photo was taken ina KT, It only make sense if it is somewhat being build and the stuff is all over the place.

In what place the photographer was in your opinion Urmel?
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Re: 7.5 cm F.K.M. 97 in Lafette C 39

Post by Urmel » 13 Jan 2015 18:39

Taken on the bow looking back. There may have been additional structure installed that makes KT40/UJ102 look different from KT16.
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Re: 7.5 cm F.K.M. 97 in Lafette C 39

Post by Dili » 13 Jan 2015 18:50

So how do explain the side rails curvature making it appear that we are looking at bow.

Notice that it is not an image distortion, if it was the deck teak lines would be distorted too.

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Re: 7.5 cm F.K.M. 97 in Lafette C 39

Post by Urmel » 13 Jan 2015 20:08

KTs had a very narrow rear, so the side rails bulged out in the centre and then curved back in.
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Re: 7.5 cm F.K.M. 97 in Lafette C 39

Post by Dili » 13 Jan 2015 20:50

Sorry but i don't understand what you are saying. What is this "rear"?

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Re: 7.5 cm F.K.M. 97 in Lafette C 39

Post by Urmel » 13 Jan 2015 20:55

The enemy had superiority in numbers, his tanks were more heavily armoured, they had larger calibre guns with nearly twice the effective range of ours, and their telescopes were superior. 5 RTR 19/11/41

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Re: 7.5 cm F.K.M. 97 in Lafette C 39

Post by Dili » 14 Jan 2015 03:35

Sorry but doesn't shows me anything that explains the photo.

If we are looking back from the bow how the bow keeps getting narrower , with less beam like the red lines i painted show? It should incresase the beam.

What you saying makes sense except for this.
The derricks are there, the gun is behind the anchor roll system, but the side rails getting narrower don't fit any available drawing or photo i know of. Maybe other ship, for example i don't see any KT with all that panels behind the gun.
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Btw if these are red/white stripes they look like inverted.
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Re: 7.5 cm F.K.M. 97 in Lafette C 39

Post by Urmel » 14 Jan 2015 07:15

Well it says KT on the back of the photo, the date and location fit, so there would have to be something pretty convincing to make me believe that it isn't KT40.
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Re: 7.5 cm F.K.M. 97 in Lafette C 39

Post by Dili » 14 Jan 2015 15:37

I only see 2252 in the back of the photo.

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Re: 7.5 cm F.K.M. 97 in Lafette C 39

Post by Urmel » 14 Jan 2015 15:55

You need to look at the other photo. I am also not sure I see the effect you mean.
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Re: 7.5 cm F.K.M. 97 in Lafette C 39

Post by Dili » 14 Jan 2015 16:33

Yes the other photo have that but that doesn't mean it is the same ship.

So for you the place officers are is not narrower than the place the photographer is?

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